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Noetic-fret!

Mon 14th Oct 2013 22:01

......@ MC Newbury, sorry if I misinterpreted you. All's I can say in my defense is that your original comment hooks up with the theory of 'Being content with little and appreciative when more is obtained.' I do understand where you're coming from in many respects, but the way you have written it seems to infer that we should be thankful for the little things when in all honesty when in heights of mental ill health we're not in one bit bothered about the little things at all for, to suffer severely is to strip one of all manifestations of humanity to the point where nothing matters. Not even the little things we have. I am glad you can have empathy, having suffered to a certain extent yourself from a mental ill health malady. And i congratulate you on being warm enough to help others. Most who are in the heights of severe mental ill health only wish for their life to end.

@Isobel, yes there are a number of actions you can take, and actions not to take to alleviate symptoms of mental ill health, but without being too critical, I think most know that this is to all intents and purposes, a wrongful way of existence as a 'human being.' Here I pick upon the comment you make about having a good network of support. Yes that is good, but from the point of view of humanity, why are we 'all' not in that support group? Helping each other adjust as best we can to an intolerable state of affairs until 'real change' can be introduced.

This is a topic that many leave under the rug and don't want exposed, for in essence if we come to grips with all that ails, then we may well have to wipe the slate clean and start again. Only next time around taking more account of the nature of humans as compassionate rational beings. We don't do that now because it is too painful for many to acknowledge the truth that.....This is not how we are meant to be.

My own thoughts are, that if we do not embrace these issues soon, with gusto, then we will never change the way this inherently corrupted society is. But how to make these changes, is going to be a difficult subject to breach. At least we here, have the scope and insight to talk of such things where many, currently, still hold those with mental ill health as a point of ridicule.

Well done you lot.

Well done Tom!

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Larisa Rzhepishevska

Mon 14th Oct 2013 21:53

Thank you so much, my dear Lynn for your comment. Love and warmest wishes, Larisa

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Larisa Rzhepishevska

Mon 14th Oct 2013 21:34

My God! It looks as you are the only one who understands me. With love and warmest wishes, Larisa XXX

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Isobel

Mon 14th Oct 2013 19:57

I'd agree with you there MC. Avoiding totally the 'shake yourself out of it' type of comments, which must be really aggravating when you are suffering badly, I think there are courses of action which can make any illness more bearable.

Staying away from the wrong kind of drugs is a biggie - and respecting medically prescribed drugs just as important. Keeping stress to a minimum by avoiding those situations likely to induce it. Talking to people about your problems - not bottling it up. There are probably a million more that I haven't thought of.

A lot must also depend on the support network you have around you. Some people are so much luckier than others - but I suppose you could say that for every aspect of life.

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Kevin@Empath_Coach

Mon 14th Oct 2013 18:48

Many thanks for your welcome Ann

Best regards,

Kevin

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John Coopey

Mon 14th Oct 2013 17:52

Me smutty, Izzy? How very dare you?
Yes, Dave, I got my inflatable in the post. I must say it was a little disappointing; I was expecting something I could use when Our Gert wasn't around.
And thankyou, Izzy, for the kind words about Marsden. I think it was the company that inspired me.

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Mon 14th Oct 2013 17:52

What an interesting read this is. More power to your elbow, Jo.

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M.C. Newberry

Mon 14th Oct 2013 17:09

Hello Larisa - keep writing and bringing lustre to
the jewel that is your beloved city.

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John F Keane

Mon 14th Oct 2013 17:04

No need to name-check the ubiquitous Duffy - Linda is a better poet, and by a fair distance!

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Laura Taylor

Mon 14th Oct 2013 17:00

Eh up! It's here :)

Forgotten I'd written it last year!

http://www.writeoutloud.net/public/blogentry.php?blogentryid=32043

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M.C. Newberry

Mon 14th Oct 2013 16:50

Noetic-fret should read again my lines "when not
always pathological" - and my reference to other
forms, referred to in my post.
I have suffered from the debilitating effects
of mental depression - getting up daily with
scant interest in life and its demands. I was
so low I visited the local hospital for help but
left after waiting fo so long I gave up! I began
to use my mind to fight back - repeatedly reminding myself that the brain is able to defeat
the demons it creates. Over a period of time, the symptoms faded and I was once again "the master of
my fate". I also speak from experience with
those I've met with mental illness in my working
life and was thanked in unexpectedly complimentary
terms by one sufferer waiting to be returned to
a hospital for the mentally ill - for showing
a sympathy and understanding in my attitude
he hadn't met even from those professionals he
knew. We shook hands when he left.
But there ARE forms (non-pathological) of the illness that can be induced/exaggerated by a
a way of life or a person's own personal
life-style, including the abuse of drugs. These
are the variations that can be confronted by
the individual and, hopefully. controlled and
ultimately vanquished. It was called "mind over matter" in my younger days.

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Steve Smith

Mon 14th Oct 2013 16:48

Thanks for the comment laura and i applaud your 'Assembly' as I said. I'd love to see a print out of your 'Lexicon' or am I just too stupid to know where to find it?

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Steven Dark

Mon 14th Oct 2013 15:03

Hi Deborah and thank you for the kind comments.

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Isobel

Mon 14th Oct 2013 14:03

I think you might find that ratio a lot lower on a poetry site Tom and so many readers will empathise with you.

Poetry seems to be a common language for people to express those inner demons - and thank goodness it exists.

The stigma is a hard thing to combat since often it's ourselves/ our nearest and dearest who indirectly maintain it. The need to protect loved ones from all that stigma can lead to silence. I suppose it's a vicious cycle. It's only when you open up about certain things that you realise just how many people understand.


Great subject for a poem and I love the simplicity of that final verse, which really brings the point home.


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darren thomas

Mon 14th Oct 2013 13:38

"Emptiness

Is the memorial to pious songs".

I knew I couldn't stop reading the rest after reading that line. Enjoyed this Steve.


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Mon 14th Oct 2013 12:20

I enjoyed listening to the "Lavender Man" something very spooky about it.

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Mon 14th Oct 2013 12:14

Backing vocals on "My Ding-a-ling" priceless.

Enjoyed your sample works.

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Nigel Astell

Mon 14th Oct 2013 11:34

You will be missed

Good luck on the Spoken Word Show

If they are all like this you will go down well!

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Laura Taylor

Mon 14th Oct 2013 11:17

Hey - thanks very much for your note on 'Assembly' :) Chuffed to bits that it's been published on Poetry24 today too :) :)

Hope to see you soon!

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Laura Taylor

Mon 14th Oct 2013 11:16

Ooo - very intricate, very clever!

I am of course familiar with the location, but love the way you subtly interweave the personal relationship aspects with the physicality of the church.

Last two lines are killer. I will say, unashamedly, that I found true love only a few short years ago, and the fear of loss has only been with me since then. I have never felt it before. It terrifies me. I LOVE how you have expressed the duality of those feelings.

Brilliant piece Steve.

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Meshach R Brencher

Mon 14th Oct 2013 10:45

I should be able to attend next months WOL but if you get time, you could share those poems in tonight's session.

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Meshach R Brencher

Mon 14th Oct 2013 10:43

Hi everyone, I wasn't able to attend last week and won't be able to attend tonight's WOL because of work and handball commitments. However, I have still been writing and preparing some stuff for a spoken word show next month. Here's a couple of pieces I'm been working on.

Mirror Distortion:

one time in drama class
I picked up a glass mirror
but it dropped on the floor
what a smashing performance
it was for me
my teacher thought it was groundbreaking
even though
the mirror appeared to be distorted
I soon realised
I was looking at it cross-eyed
how stupid am I
not to realise seeing two mirrors
in front of me
I only held one hand out for one
that's why the other one smashed
but fear not
this problem can be fixed
the broken pieces can be build up again
or used for a better means
what nice chandeliers
they'd make in the drama room
to make acts look more eloquent
Picture that. What a nice reflection
that would leave.

This next one is a palindrome style poem:

He said he did it
He didn’t
He did differently
He wonders beyond imagination
Floating ozone
Twisting hair
Volatile smoke, silver haze
Puffy clouds go coast to coast
Chicken burnt
Lingering numbness
Mind dumbing
What agenda
Answer question
Question marks
Stubborn nature
Flashing lights, switch off
Accept you if it is done
Done is it if you accept?
Off switch, lights flashing
Nature stubborn
Marks questioned
Question answered
Agenda what?
Dumbing mind
Numbness lingering
Burnt chicken
Coast to coast go clouds puffy
Haze silver, smoke volatile
Hair twisting
Ozone floating
Imagination beyond wonders
He Differently did he
Didn’t he it?
did he said he?!?!

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winston plowes

Mon 14th Oct 2013 01:47

some very considered and valid comments here sparked by Tom's poem. The more we talk about the truth the more difficult it will be to ignore.

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Noetic-fret!

Mon 14th Oct 2013 01:00

Hi Tom, I too, am 1 in 4. It's very difficult for most people to understand mental ill health. Taking a look at M C Newberry's comment, says a lot about how people seem to perceive us, and in being honest, they are wrong! It is more than just the daily parameters of living, for it is in itself a life that is dehumanized, something that, if we were an animal to suffer, we would be put out of our misery. As humans who maintain that they are normal, they will just never understand. For not to be touched by this world in some degree, is in all honesty, abnormal. I suffer among many conditions, PTSD from service career, i also have a diagnosis of Schizophrenia. If we were to hack someone to death in the street, there would be an outcry! But so called normal people kill too, and that, is acceptable compared to someone who suffers from Mental Ill Health. It astounds me too, that many argue that it is down to genetics and go to extreme lengths to try to prove it, when i guess both you and i know, as well as the 1 in 4, it is more likely the case that it is environmental. In all honesty, people will just not 'get it' concerning how dire these conditions are, they just will not understand until it happens to them. For that Tom, and also the 1 in 4, you have my empathy and understanding! We are in a diabolical world, know this to be the case, and are deeply affected by it.

Nice writing Tom.

Keep posting

Mike

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Greg Freeman

Sun 13th Oct 2013 23:35

It was a great day: a packed-out Poetry Jam at the Railway, and a feast of beat, jazz and off-the-wall poetry and great music, plus crowded pub and appreciative audience later in the day at the New Inn. Well done Julian for all his hard work and planning, and for his renditions of Rimbaud and Ginsberg's Howl!

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Isobel

Sun 13th Oct 2013 21:53

A big thank you to Julian and everyone who made this happen. It was a brilliant turn out and the poetry was superb.

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Isobel

Sun 13th Oct 2013 21:51

Touch and Go - I imagine John Coopey could make something very smutty out of this theme :)

As an aside, I saw John perform at the Marsden jazz festival today and he was simply magic. Not many people can move from comedy to tragedy and take the audience with them - but he did - and a very moving performance it was.

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Steve Smith

Sun 13th Oct 2013 18:03

You've sung an aria in the martyrs' voice ,Laura - great art and craft in the rhythm and assonance!
An dose of Harpic for the troll-grunting yeomanry!

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Dave Bradley

Sun 13th Oct 2013 14:44

Cate Greenlees came first, Rachel Bond second and myself joint 3rd with John Coopey. I believe John got his in the post. The rest of us got ours in a typically rumbustious night at the Tudor. There's a photo somewhere.

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Ann Foxglove

Sun 13th Oct 2013 11:06

Who won the inflatable whale? (I wonder what they did with it!)

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Ann Foxglove

Sun 13th Oct 2013 10:50

Hi Paul - a belated welcome to the site.

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Ann Foxglove

Sun 13th Oct 2013 10:40

Hi Al - welcome to WOL! I have got a bit behind with my welcoming duties! Sorry about that.

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Ann Foxglove

Sun 13th Oct 2013 10:33

Hi Dominic - welcome to WOL. I like your profile poem - if you put something on the blogs section you are more likely to get some feedback if that's what you'd like :)

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Ann Foxglove

Sun 13th Oct 2013 10:31

Hi Kevin - a belated welcome to WOL!

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Ann Foxglove

Sun 13th Oct 2013 10:26

Hi Emmarichenda -a belated welcome to WOL. I hope you will put some more of your poetry on here. I like what I've seen.

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Ann Foxglove

Sun 13th Oct 2013 10:14

Hi Steve - welcome to WOL!

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Ann Foxglove

Sun 13th Oct 2013 10:13

Hya Confirmstatushere - welcome to WOL.

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Ann Foxglove

Sun 13th Oct 2013 10:03

Hi Ian - welcome to WOL. Perhaps you might like to try putting a poem on the blogs section - more people seem to see them there. I like the tortoise story!

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Ann Foxglove

Sun 13th Oct 2013 09:58

Hi Norton - a very warm welcome to WOL. Hope you are enjoying being on the site. Maybe put a poem on the blogs section - more folk tend to see them there than on the profiles.

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Ann Foxglove

Sun 13th Oct 2013 09:56

Hi Renetha - a very warm welcome to WOL. Hope you are enjoying the site!

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Ann Foxglove

Sun 13th Oct 2013 09:54

Hi Satyajit - a very warm welcome to WOL. I think if you put your poem on the blog section on WOL you might get some more feedback if that's what you would like. I really like your poem. It has real honesty and charm! Hope to read more soon.

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Ann Foxglove

Sun 13th Oct 2013 09:47

Hi Sash - a warm welcome to WOL. Good to see you taking part in the site!

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Ann Foxglove

Sun 13th Oct 2013 09:41

Hi Mr Dean! Welcome to WOL - hope you're enjoying the site - good to see you blogging!

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Ann Foxglove

Sun 13th Oct 2013 09:38

Perhaps they should print your poem on cigarette packets instead of the scary photos Dean - it's a very good message well put!

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Lynn Dye

Sat 12th Oct 2013 23:35

Good one, Larisa. I especially like the first two lines (and last lines) Very true! x

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Rob Baylis

Sat 12th Oct 2013 22:29

Hi Char

Thanks for leading me to Write Out Loud

Robert

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Larisa Rzhepishevska

Sat 12th Oct 2013 19:54

I am so sorry that I couldn't reply at once. But...your comments mean so much to me. I would like to thank you and... tell you that... your comments inspire me to write and think. With love and warmest wishes, Larisa

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Larisa Rzhepishevska

Sat 12th Oct 2013 19:45

Thank you so much, my dear Starfish for your comment on my poems. Love, Larisa

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Larisa Rzhepishevska

Sat 12th Oct 2013 19:42

Thank you so much my dear friends for your comments. With love and warmest wishes, Larisa

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M.C. Newberry

Sat 12th Oct 2013 16:40

A stirring imaginative piece in "the old style".
In many ways, the martial thinking is still
projected in the modern world. But at least there
have been the benefits of great art and science
to make life more than just a savage existence,
and Man more than just a primitive creature, out to
fight off the competition.

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