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Isobel

Wed 3rd Jul 2013 21:24

Oh what a brilliant poem Ian. I love it. I love all the religious symbolism and the irony (you're very good at that) and the very many messages.

What an original piece of work. It makes me think, it makes me feel - and I'm left feeling nailed to a cross. Wow!

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Wed 3rd Jul 2013 21:17

mucho excellentio Signor Whiteley!

Ciao for now!xx

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Ian Whiteley

Wed 3rd Jul 2013 19:32

thanks for your comments on 'Northern Lights' Laura, glad you liked it - that sort of stuff isn't everyone's cup of tea so wasn't SURE HOW IT WOULD GO DOWN :-)

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Christopher Dawson

Wed 3rd Jul 2013 15:30

Thank you Sadie, appreciated, my first ever comment anywhere on this one!

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Wed 3rd Jul 2013 14:26

This is fabulous Christopher!

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Francine

Wed 3rd Jul 2013 05:01

I really like this one, Dave.
There is so much honest feeling in it.

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Francine

Wed 3rd Jul 2013 04:54

Captures the mood of solitude well.

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Francine

Wed 3rd Jul 2013 04:50

Yep, love it. Simple, yet profound.

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Francine

Wed 3rd Jul 2013 04:38

Indeed :-D

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Wed 3rd Jul 2013 01:53

a picture paints more than words can say
to bring wonder to ones day

the art to bring all together
to communicate from one to another

for in art a community is bound
for a new discussion to be found

to look apon the hand of the present
with a question to cause dissent

but the gallery of life dose contain
the mischief of those who have no shame

but then the brush becomes the light
to light the way to clear ones sight

for all art has this power
to tumble down deceptions tower

to right a wrong with a painters song
to show the truth so the lie be gone

and we all have this itch to scratch
to see the truth, the power to act

so find a wall big and white
and get your paint brush ready to fight

get some black paint so all can see
and write in big words

‘I’m with the free’

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Isobel

Tue 2nd Jul 2013 21:33

And yet there was a time when the underclass had the opportunity to get an education, to learn to appreciate canonical poetry and to write it.

That raw ability won't just disappear because the opportunities aren't there - instead it will be channelled into words of the street - for want of a better way of describing it - and there will be good and bad examples of it - just as there is of poetry written by the middle classes.

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Chris Co

Tue 2nd Jul 2013 18:26

I recently wrote a poem, in part on this subject.

It takes little more than basic research in order to find that black people are 30 times more likely to face stop and search in the UK than white people. Not 3 times more, 30 times more!!!

This is a national disgrace make no mistake.

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Shirley Smothers

Tue 2nd Jul 2013 17:40

Hi. M.C.
Thanks for the encouragement. My poem "My Poetry" makes me seem a little thinner skinned than I am. I wrote a short not great poem telling people where they can kiss me. I may post it later.
You also write music! I'm jealous, not really. You're multi- talented. Is it possible to post your song here?

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John F Keane

Tue 2nd Jul 2013 17:25

Poetry performance is all well and good. Performance is not the issue that this poem is trying to address - only what is performed (or written, for that matter): a quite different thing.

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Greg Freeman

Tue 2nd Jul 2013 17:00

John, the words at the top of Write Out Loud's home page say: "Encouraging poetry performance." Are you saying we are quite wrong to do so? Is it all a waste of time, in your view, because only the middle-class know how to write poetry? I would say that you've rather tied yourself in knots, just in order to follow the form of the sonnet, and might have expressed your argument more clearly in free verse. It seems a bit much to bring bestiality into the argument as well ...

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Tue 2nd Jul 2013 16:44

dearie me! you need to let life into your life!

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John F Keane

Tue 2nd Jul 2013 16:07

Yes, vulgarity is vile in poetry and everywhere else. At a deeper level, the lionization of plebeian culture is just praising an unsuccessful, dysfunctional culture. The underclass generally don't raise successful children, tend to live in poverty, generally fail in education and are prone to crime and intolerance. In short, their culture is inferior to middle class culture in every way. And so the question naturally arises: why should their 'literature' be set alongside that of the middle class, when it is clearly the product of an inferior, dysfunctional culture? We need to stop pretending that hip hop 'slams' produce poetry even remotely comparable to canonical literature expressed in classical/traditional forms.

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Dave D Poet Rhumour

Tue 2nd Jul 2013 15:16

Hehe - I think the pictures are already in your mind my friend, so perhaps the DVD is not essential... ;) Thanks as ever for your comments, best wishes, Dave

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M.C. Newberry

Tue 2nd Jul 2013 13:39

Ouch! This brings back a hurtful memory. Back in the 70s I took a solo walking holiday down the coast of North Somerset/Devon and one of my holiday accessories was a pair of - you guessed it - Ray-Bans! Sadly, I made the mistake of hooking them in a shirt pocket and after gleefully jogging along a stretch of beach - the multi-pebbled variety - I found I'd lost them. NO chance of locating them on that huge stretch of shore and I had to give up looking and - muttering angrily - trudge on! They were a mere forty quid then but it was a painful lesson when a weekly wage was less! I never bought another pair.

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M.C. Newberry

Tue 2nd Jul 2013 13:19

Hi Shirley - develop a thicker skin and keep writing. You are not alone in enduring the "slings and arrows of outrageous fortune". A song of mine was recently marked 2/10 and described as "very poor quality" by a BBC Radio Country music DJ. The words she used were far from "fair comment" as they made no effort to differentiate between tune, lyric, arrangement, vocal, recording etc. In short, they were unprofessional, but there you go! Critics are not always right. In my case, someone took the trouble to put "Good track" beside the same song elsewhere - which helped even things out.

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John Togher

Tue 2nd Jul 2013 12:52

It is a one-off week early event this month. Nothing we could do about it. Sorry if people miss out, but we'll be back next month, second week in August for the Slam and back to normal with the open mic night in September.

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John Togher

Tue 2nd Jul 2013 12:50

How have you got on with the earworm poetry cd?

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Andy N

Tue 2nd Jul 2013 12:41

good stuff, john. tightly wrote all round even though my favourite bits are the first four lines. good stuff man. get it in your next book!

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Tue 2nd Jul 2013 09:25

Cliff,wired for sound? wired to a pacemaker and zimmer frame more likely Steve,haha!

I think 'Quilled memorandum'a better title mm?
but then what do I know,not being..authorial!

neat piece Mr.H.x

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Tue 2nd Jul 2013 09:11

Bejairzus,and begorrah Johnno!
not like you to overlook the obvious!
-this one,by the well known Scottish lyricist,
Jumpin'Jock McFlash..(he's a gas!gas!gas!)

Radon (sung by Muddy Golly-aka-Dirty Golosher)
_______________________________________________

Radon,Radon felled me,
felled me,and I know I will be
leaving here very soon,for the ce..me..t'ree.

(and/or)

Radon,I've got that dizzy,scarey feeling,
that Radons gonna blow off my ceiling
and I know I will be cartwheeling
up and out to sea!
______________________

and so on and so forth-or fifth.

seeya,Coopeychops!x

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Shirley Smothers

Tue 2nd Jul 2013 08:46

You make a great point.
Nicely stated. I told my husband I know I must be getting old. But when did vulgarity become acceptable or funny?
This made for thoughtful reading.

Shirley

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Francine

Tue 2nd Jul 2013 06:00

Hi Andy,

Thank you for your kind comments on 'Echo' - very much appreciated.
I haven't written anything in forever - told Isobel I would, so...
xx

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Francine

Tue 2nd Jul 2013 05:38

Hi Cate,

Thank you for taking the time to read and comment on 'Echo' - very much appreciated.
xx

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Francine

Tue 2nd Jul 2013 05:32

So solemn and sad...

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Francine

Tue 2nd Jul 2013 05:28

Merci - j'espère parler bientôt. xx

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Yvonne Brunton

Mon 1st Jul 2013 22:45

I can't resist designer frames
they're great for pullin' guys or dames
but there's a cure for my addiction
for now they're made to my prescription.
They're not that 'cool' you might agree
But I don't care now I can see!!
No longer following the masses
Now that I wear my unique glasses.

Love the song XX

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Mon 1st Jul 2013 21:17

assuming we instigated your involvement in this comp,we(Mr Wilde in particular)should have mentioned to you there might be the question of commision.And not neccessarily in the form of dosh,if you win.

He will be praying like crazy,that you do!
but he is more than sure,in considering his'fee'-you will be praying for a much,much lower placing-lol!

Great poem Katy.xx

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Mon 1st Jul 2013 20:53

is there a DVD to accompany this poem Dave?
or would it be too explicit for the faint hearted?

Like wot we are....not!

Yep,you have scored again Mr D!.xx

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Mon 1st Jul 2013 20:44

ohhhh! get you,O literary lovie!

a'gudden'Steve.xx

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Andy N

Mon 1st Jul 2013 19:24

Enjoyed this - beauitfully wrote x

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Andy N

Mon 1st Jul 2013 19:22

enjoyed Nick good stuff

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Harry O'Neill

Mon 1st Jul 2013 16:19


Dave,


I love this kind of philosophical-ity in a poem, It gives us all a much-needed knock off our complacent certainty.

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Harry O'Neill

Mon 1st Jul 2013 15:00




Well swapped, Sound choices.

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Dave D Poet Rhumour

Mon 1st Jul 2013 04:00

Hello Starfish. :) Thanks for your comments on 'Never More To Shine'. - glad you enjoyed it. Best wishes, Dave

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Dave D Poet Rhumour

Mon 1st Jul 2013 03:52

Thank you Starfish. :) Glad you enjoyed it. Best wishes, Dave

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Greg Freeman

Sun 30th Jun 2013 17:22

I believe Alan Morrison is arguing here for a kind of protest poetry in which the message is unambiguous, and in which the worksmanship of the poem – the way it is constructed – does not interfere in the understanding of it. Of course, there is no obligation on individual poets to write protest poetry, or even if they do, to write in this prescribed way. But I believe that if you choose protest as your subject matter, it is a good idea – unless you live under a regime where your message has to be shrouded in metaphor and subterfuge – to make your poem as easy to understand as possible, without detracting from the enjoyment of it as a poem in its own right, so that it may reach more people. Despite the apparent rise of protest poetry, which some might regard as just another publishing opportunity, the number of issues reported in the newspapers each day that are likely to make the blood boil do not appear to be reflected in poetic output. We lack a poetic Dickens, someone able to construct great, lasting art out of anger and compassion. There’s a job for someone there.

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John F Keane

Sun 30th Jun 2013 17:07

Lovely place, Cheltenham.

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John F Keane

Sun 30th Jun 2013 16:56

I also question the power of art to change anything. The punk rock of the mid-70s was, at the time, a powerful creative movement (albeit far more middle-class than is often said). However, in 1979 Thatcher introduced a new form of populist consumerism and in a few years punk was forgotten or marginalized. Art is a beautiful thing, for sure; but let's not kid ourselves that global power-elites are going to be swayed by a few poems or paintings. Art is like philosophy: it leaves everything as it is (i.e. a pile of shit).

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John F Keane

Sun 30th Jun 2013 16:46

*Caudwell argued that the more “successful” artists of capitalist societies – ie the best adapted – are stylistically incapable of dissent, even when in their interests. This might, then, explain the apparent paralysis of response among the upper poetry echelons to the government’s melting down of our social democracy.*

A more mundane explanation is that those at the top of the social pyramid have no real incentive to challenge/change anything, in that true change would diminish their various privileges. This is why the left-liberalism of metropolitan elites has only widened socio-economic divides - think how the closure of Grammar Schools (a left-liberal policy) has ossified educational inequality and effectively halted social mobility in the UK.

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Dave Bradley

Sun 30th Jun 2013 13:43

Nice one John. Wistful and poignant.

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Cate Greenlees

Sun 30th Jun 2013 13:08

Hi Francine, I like the way you have managed to get a feeling of disconnection in this work. A good interpretation of the subject matter.
Cate xx

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Cate Greenlees

Sun 30th Jun 2013 12:52

And I`ve "not arrived at a conclusion" about this poem either Dave but I find it strangely compulsive!
Cate xx

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Cate Greenlees

Sun 30th Jun 2013 12:32

Hi John, I agree completely with Isobel. This is so simple but so effective. I always loved your dialect poems, but its good to see you are writing in a range of styles. I love this!
Cate xx

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Isobel

Sun 30th Jun 2013 10:00

And I love your voice too Francine - am so glad to have you back - WOL wouldn't be WOL without you!

I love this. Love the title and the ideas and the disconnected structure you have used - it really goes well with what you are expressing.

I also like the paradoxes - the appreciation of self within all of the loneliness.

You
are alone
feel the void
expand with every breath
And yet you go on
loving your own voice

Beautiful x

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Isobel

Sun 30th Jun 2013 09:48

Congratulations John - you've had a lot of success with that poem. x

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