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Ian Whiteley

Thu 12th Sep 2013 18:23

MC
interesting stuff,
The 'Reclaiming History' review is based on the 1000+ page full manuscript - whereas the 'Four Days In November' is a condensed version that covers just the 4 days of the 2 (3) murders. I haven't read the full manuscript but may well do now because, as you say, that review sounds very interesting.
Hope you enjoy the read - I came at it with an open mind and really enjoyed it - couldn't put it down and felt like I was watching every scene - a really good writer and a really good read - keep me informed on what you think and if it changes any of your perceptions - I would be interested
Ian

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Nigel Astell

Thu 12th Sep 2013 15:33

Poets must gather round
to write a line
then for those who
had too many teas - - -

com all go pee

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Mark Mr T Thompson

Wed 11th Sep 2013 23:21

Here's the original I've edit the piece above so that is now the 2013 redraft...

I may be a mister,

But sister, don’t get pissed yeah when I say in fact - I, am a feminist.

There seems to me to be a need for us to celebrate and debate the culture of nurture over greed,

Which appears an instinctively natural part of almost each and every female’s nature.

Maybe its origins historically are biological,

Isn’t it simple, obvious and logical,

That of the human races pair of parental partners

The very best gardeners tend not to be the human seed planters,

But instead, the seed tenders, the inside lending, DNA blenders,

Who, to bear a child, must share all that they have, all that they are,

Carrying a new life force in a physical pact that is still genuinely gender particular?



Now this is not a tract based on womb envy, because what I want to celebrate goes way beyond that.

It’s vital not to see this as a simple transgender pat on the back

Because these important female qualities have gone from being undervalued, to being under attack.

Some seem to want these special skills from us divided,

So much so that men who show these qualities of consideration, kindness and care are derided

Almost everywhere by guys and girls should show that they know better,

While young ladies become laddettes, painting their life pictures from palettes tainted

As they ape all that is vile and uncouth from the landscape of our modern male youth.



Equal but different were the targets for us I guess somewhere we must have lost focus,

In chasing dreams of equity

We came to be more equal but crucially

We became indifferent to the importance of difference.

Instead, the hard drinking, pint sinking, self serving, status quo preserving, aggression and violence of masculinity,

Came to be promoted as a better choice for you & me than the more feminine quality of equanimity,

In transactions of word, powerful projection is asserted as the only way to make sure that you’re heard,

Thus listening is lost as a skill, our conversations become nothing more than confrontational battles of will.



Our sexual revolution is no completed history - for me her story is at best half done.

For although heartfelt and hard fought were the battles that have been won,

If I am not going mad,

It seems the equal that we have so far become

Is simply equally bad.

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Gareth Glyn Roberts

Wed 11th Sep 2013 21:11

Thank you Solar Winds!

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<Deleted User> (9882)

Wed 11th Sep 2013 17:34

Hi Steve.A very late(and apologised for)thank you for your nice comment on my poem-
'Preparatory arsenal'x

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Wed 11th Sep 2013 17:19

oh Starfish! and heres me thinking you were a kindly poet! if its not your big feet in action,it's your (big?)ariss-haha-cheers dude/dude-ess?.x

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Wed 11th Sep 2013 17:14

haha! yeah!x

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Wed 11th Sep 2013 17:13

my kind of rules!great stuff Marksy.x

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Chris Co

Wed 11th Sep 2013 09:19

To see more of some of the great musicians that have played at ThePoetry Spoke;

www.wirralpoetry.com/musicians/

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Ian Whiteley

Tue 10th Sep 2013 18:24

as always MC, we seem to disagree.
I could shoot down (ouch) virtually all your suppositions about this murder - but it would simply be by referencing Vincent Bugliosi's book - so rather than fill space here I really would urge you to have a read of it and see if you remain so sceptical of the lone nutter theory.
Also - the Stephen King book 11-22-63 is a damned good read if you can stand the fictionalisation of events (but, I suppose you already have) - cheap shot :-) once you get started with the similies there's no stopping)
unlike some of our other disagreements of view - I'm not particularly precious about my views on this one - just pointing out a couple of damned good reads
cheers
Ian

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Tue 10th Sep 2013 17:22

What a brilliant idea Winston, and well done with the US connection. Come on you lot, you are good at found poetry.

See a poem and pick it up
and all the day you'll have ...

a found poem!

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Lynn Dye

Tue 10th Sep 2013 16:43

Wow, powerful stuff, Mike, agree with your sentiments, well written as always. Lynn x

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John F Keane

Tue 10th Sep 2013 16:06

I think we need a few more to merit a second book, Andy.

A few possible names for the collage 'poet':

COLLAGE POEM

Glacem Poole
Poole M. Glace
Glacem E. Pool
Glace M. Poole

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Andy N

Tue 10th Sep 2013 13:03

good fun John and for once I remember what bit I wrote.

Miss doing these. Will be their be a second book of these poems?

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dorinda macdowell

Tue 10th Sep 2013 07:04

WOW!
Thoughts mingle
And blend
We write
And
It
Is
Good................

IT IS GOOD

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Mon 9th Sep 2013 17:46

whhhhatttt!!!ignore a field mouse-never!
wear cotton wool wellies? always!!
awwww,accidents will happen.This comment comes from a so soft hearted Mr Wilde,who once risked his life by dashing out in between gaps in traffic on a bypass with his trusty shovel to lift a dead but beautiful fox off the road so he wouldnt get 'kersplatted' anymore and could be given a decent burial....sniff sniff.Be careful with those big feet Starfish! haha!xx

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terry ireland

Mon 9th Sep 2013 17:19

Very moving piece.

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Ian Whiteley

Mon 9th Sep 2013 17:04

thanks for commenting on 'stroke' starfish - unfortunately a true story which was difficult to get down in words without sounding overly sentimental - hopefully I got the tone about right :-)
cheers
Ian

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Ian Whiteley

Mon 9th Sep 2013 16:39

Hey MC
sorry it's been a while me getting back to you - been in sunny Dorset on holiday :-)
interesting stuff regarding the whole JFK 'drama' - must say that I am an avid reader on the whole topic and consider the ultimate 'bible' on the various theories etc to be 'Four Days In November' by Vincent Bugliosi (I highly recommend this as a captivating read - if you haven't read it already)- which basically disproves every crackpot conspiracy theory that anyone may choose to believe (good grief, I even read recently that they are theorising that vice president Johnson set it all up!)anyway - my own take on this - having read the books, seen the videos, listened to the theorists - is that it was, indeed, a lone nutter - and all the rest has been allowed to fester thanks to the ineptitude of the federal and local investigations.
I felt sorrier for the wife and kids - that picture of Kennedy's young son saluting the coffin has got to be one of the most heart-wrenching shots of the whole sad mess.
thanks for commenting - interesting stuff

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Nigel Astell

Mon 9th Sep 2013 15:38

The Sun Must Wait

Mirrored cool sunglasses
Extra large T-shirt
Silverfoil baggy shorts
Just hanging loose
Stuck at airport.

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Nigel Astell

Mon 9th Sep 2013 15:16

I like the use of red
with it a soft calm emotion
of a love so strong waiting
still searching the best to come.

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terry ireland

Mon 9th Sep 2013 14:45

Too true, and nicely said. Loved it

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Greg Freeman

Sun 8th Sep 2013 19:45

During our chat at the book fair yesterday Clive Birnie of Burning Eye pointed me in the direction of a very interesting blog by Adele Ward, of Ward Wood Publishing, on the economics of publishing poetry. Here's the link to it http://adeleward.blogspot.co.uk/

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Starfish

Sun 8th Sep 2013 18:42

Really enjoyed this...and there's nought wrong with winceyette pyjamas, though flannelette are warmer!
Starfish

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Starfish

Sun 8th Sep 2013 18:29

Beautifully and effectively written on a difficult subject. Brilliant.
Starfish

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Starfish

Sun 8th Sep 2013 18:23

This is beautifully written and poignant.
Starfish

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Donna Marie Beck

Sun 8th Sep 2013 11:51

Hey Shirley, i'm glad you liked my poem 'Wise Sea'. I wrote it a few days ago when i was on holiday in Spain. There's a part of me that's a bit intimidated by the sea but i have a lot of respect for it. I appreciate your comment.

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Katy Megan Hughes

Sat 7th Sep 2013 10:18

Not quite sure how to respond to that. I know the poem seems bitter and sad. I think its a situation that is more common than we like to believe and tragic for all parties involved.

Last poem in the collection to be posted next week...then I don't know what to do next!

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Pete Slater

Fri 6th Sep 2013 19:48

Thanks Andy appreciate your comments on THE RAIN.

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Isobel

Fri 6th Sep 2013 17:23

The head of state is there by birth, not by selection, so I don't see her as a role model. We do have an excellent female poet laureate though - and I've never felt marginalised by men on the performance poetry scene. In fact I've seen plenty of excellent female performers.

If there are less of us, it's possibly down to a lack of confidence in performing or maybe the fact that many of us are occupied elsewhere looking after kids....

I do think subtle discrimination can exist in certain areas - private industry, where a lot of deals and promotions are cut on the golf course...




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Adrienne Silcock

Fri 6th Sep 2013 17:11

Thanks to you, Greg! Great site!

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Isobel

Fri 6th Sep 2013 17:10

Brilliant poem John - lovely to see that other side - it's there in most of us but not everyone is brave enough to reveal it.

The Holocaust has come to mind a lot for me too. The fact that we never thought it could be repeated without our own active involvement. I do think the waters are a lot muddier in Syria though. You can imagine our intervention being totally unwelcome by a large number of the resident population - and then a huge wavering of opinion from initial supporters when they experience the full impact of foreign intervention.

Better dialogue needs to be achieved with Syria's neighbours - though that is probably wishful thinking on my part. Your poem DOES have a good poke at the empty inanities that get spouted from certain ranks though...

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M.C. Newberry

Fri 6th Sep 2013 00:51

An emotive sequence of analogies to stir the
conscience. Wish life was that straightforward.
But certainly a challenging item from this source
to remind us of so much fallibility in the human
spirit when faced with the strutting bully and
his eager cohorts, be it across the street or
across a continent.

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Graham Sherwood

Thu 5th Sep 2013 21:37

Religious poetry is sure to get some comments Joseph. Welcome to WOL.

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Graham Sherwood

Thu 5th Sep 2013 21:35

The other side of John Coopey. Really strong stuff on a difficult subject John. Much respect. I wouldn't have the guts to attempt it. Well done old friend.

Graham

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Nigel Astell

Thu 5th Sep 2013 15:36

Art on art
hold that page
instant news breaking
read published tweets.

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Nigel Astell

Thu 5th Sep 2013 15:26

I have nothing to say to you
my heart is made of solid stone
on it is carved life of displeasure.

The same words uttered by my Father
I have nothing to say to you
means I have lost faith in love.

Sounds like you did have some connection!

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M.C. Newberry

Thu 5th Sep 2013 15:21

Certainly, as an English man I would be very
disappointed IF women suffered this type of
marginalisation. Surely, talent and something
to say should be the only terms of reference.
However, in an existence when one's mother is
such a huge influence and we have a woman as our
head of state, I often wonder if women are
pursuing a disguised agenda for preference instead
of "equality" in the opportunities that life offers...or does that now constitute "sexism"?!!

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Thu 5th Sep 2013 12:51

Thank you for your generous words :-)

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Greg Freeman

Thu 5th Sep 2013 05:07

Adrienne, apologies for my earlier oversight! Welcome to the community of Write Out Loud, and I hope you'll post some more poems here some time. Greg

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Adrienne Silcock

Wed 4th Sep 2013 17:02

Thanks, andy n, for your comments.

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Andy N

Wed 4th Sep 2013 13:04

what a first image, pete certainly dragged me straight in.

excellent piece m8

andy

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Andy N

Wed 4th Sep 2013 13:04

maybe a bit long for my taste here, Simon but the piece is good stuff and the ending works well. good stuff m8

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Andy N

Wed 4th Sep 2013 13:03

not a fan in particular of the poet in question, but the piece is excellent - particularly like the ending.

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Adrienne Silcock

Wed 4th Sep 2013 10:50

Thanks, Ann. Nice to be here!

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Adrienne Silcock

Wed 4th Sep 2013 10:49

Thanks, Greg...and hello!

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Greg Freeman

Wed 4th Sep 2013 10:42

Fascinating, striking creatures. Keen observation here, Adrienne. Enjoyed this.

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Ann Foxglove

Wed 4th Sep 2013 10:39

Hello Adrienne - a very warm welcome to WOL. Good to see you blogging! Hope you enjoy the site :)

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Ann Foxglove

Wed 4th Sep 2013 10:32

Hi Genevieve - a very warm welcome to WOL. Hope you enjoy the site. Maybe you might put some of your poems on the blog section. Good stuff!

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Ann Foxglove

Wed 4th Sep 2013 10:13

Hi Dom - a very warm welcome to WOL. Especially as you are in wonderful Cornwall - and I love the Miracle Theatre! I hope you will find the time to make use of the site and enjoy it too!

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