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Ann Foxglove

Sat 10th Jul 2010 20:01

I met a fox this evening, out for a walk. This is her poem!

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Pete Crompton

Sat 10th Jul 2010 18:13

Hi Anne, thats fine, thanks for your comments on the Nature poem, the meanings are simply one of people decaying as well as buildings etc, Im sure you already understood that, I was just reflecting back on your cat poem and how that too had layers, great minds think alike! x

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Pete Crompton

Sat 10th Jul 2010 18:09

The poem refers to the concourse as 'the grand grey' which is how I see it. It is part of the brutalist era and iconic. I dont see it or mean the poem to reflect it in a derogatory sense and its not implied in the poem at all. Its ironic as the particular type of concrete used was reinforced, using steel galv rods and the pours where carefully monitored. Im not sure wether it actually suffered fatique at all, I know that the police station did and several multi story car parks of that era. Once the rust gets into the metal rods it cracks internal, almost exploding from inside, you then see the brown/red streaks.
The poem makes no social references and is simply describing how nothing is safe, people or buildings. Skem happened to spring to mind as I work there once a week. My experince as it happens with skem is that it is actually a calming place for me. Its well planted as you point out Isobel and there are some great green spaces. The super-sized Asda is well equpped, the road layout is sensible and there is NEVER any traffic problems. I think that some houses have not wethered brilliantly and efforts should be made to improve some property schemes or look at some new build.

But I do have to say the poem really has little to do with the actual Skem concourse, it could easily be Gateshead or Trellick tower in London.

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Isobel

Sat 10th Jul 2010 17:01

Glad to hear it Rachel! Yes - learning to handle conflict as a child is an excellent preparation for adulthood. Loads of you lot used to bus it down to my high school and it became pretty rough. In lessons that weren't streamed, like french, it was the worst. They hated kids like me who enjoyed learning. I learned how to stand up to a crowd by looking them in the eye and never saying no to a fight. I never fought though - it never comes to that with bullies. I do think it taught me a thing or two that has come in handy later in life - or perhaps I had it in me already - who knows?
Thanks for reminding me about Skem connie Pete. There is a pair of red patent leather doc martin rip offs that I'm hoping are still waiting for me!

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Isobel

Sat 10th Jul 2010 16:37

Thanks for your comment Anthony - it means a lot that you liked it. I was hoping for a slightly softer voice but put a microphone in front of me and I seem to get edgy. On reflection I think it might have been better in a lower key. Not sure myself how it works as a french poem - there is probably one cliche in it - life being compared to lightning - but it rhymed and I was working under additional constraints!
When are you posting another one?

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Sat 10th Jul 2010 14:46

Aye - all's well that ends well.
this says it all for me -
"I would never UNWISH that now cos to do so would be to unwish its consequences - my children". That's my point - if you would not unwish it, then in my book its not a regret - just musings. besides, its only my take on things, not gospel. xx

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Isobel

Sat 10th Jul 2010 13:38

Yes - I knew glass was liquid - and funnily enough that line really stood out to me when I first read it. I didn't know it sagged with time though - I thought it just got broken.

Rachel, I'm not looking down my nose at anyone who shops at the connie - though I have to say that the kids are not overly endowed with good manners - I suppose that you can only be what you are taught to be though - so some people just can't help it.

Would agree with you that the architects need shooting. They did a good job with the trees in Skem though. When we first drove there after coming back from Oz, my son thought it was a lovely place and wondered whether we should live there.

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Pete Crompton

Sat 10th Jul 2010 12:20

thanks Anne on the 'natures seventh seal'poem, I'm hoping you can find some hidden references in there. there are gems for everyone in it.x

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Pete Crompton

Sat 10th Jul 2010 12:19

izzy, ta. Hey did you know the 'liquid window' line, well glass is liquid, after a while it actually sags, if you look on old buildings, crazy that. Skem concourse, lovely..........

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Ray Miller

Sat 10th Jul 2010 12:09

Loved it, Dave, wonderful. As others have pointed out "bastards" is a bit of a stumble. How about "Got to make the pasta faster so the profits will be vaster"?

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Ray Miller

Sat 10th Jul 2010 11:59

Dave. Thanks for your comments on Anything Goes. The rhyme scheme crept in as a result of listening to Leonard Cohen one day.It's more of a song, I suppose, with Anything Goes as the refrain. It's about literary pretensions, would you believe!

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Ray Miller

Sat 10th Jul 2010 11:56

Cynthia. Thanks for your comments on Stroke.I can't decide between resuscitated and regurgitated. What do you think?

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Ray Miller

Sat 10th Jul 2010 11:54

Greg, thanks for your comments on Stroke. Do you think resuscitated or regurgitated would be better?

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Heather

Sat 10th Jul 2010 11:35

This was really great, I love the humour of the piece, the fast pace and all the rhymes. It's very well put together. The line with bastards also threw me, as did this line: To our recipes down passed-a. But those are tiny complaints and it really is fantastic!

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Isobel

Sat 10th Jul 2010 10:10

I guess the vista that he mister was the gape of orifista...

ouch sorry about that - I'm just trying out your pasta style

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Isobel

Sat 10th Jul 2010 10:05

The personification of Nature - what a brilliant poem! Nature seems very malevolant though I guess that is because it carries with it death and decay. Us humans regret our own mortality above all else. Great flow of thought and imagery. I see you have visited Skem concourse - high time Nature reclaimed that eyesore. They do have a great little shoe shop in the market area though...

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Heather

Sat 10th Jul 2010 09:56

Does anyone know who wrote Eyam and the Wells? I'm intrigued but I tried googling it and couldn't find a reference.

Thanks for the welcomes and comments everyone!

I'll probably choose acrid then, it's the more fitting of the two. Not wasting words is a good tip, thanks Cynthia and Graham!

Thank you Andy :)

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Isobel

Sat 10th Jul 2010 09:53

This is so sad Ann. It is hard enough bringing up teenage kids when you have a strong, competant carer - without any guidance at all, your heart goes out...
'sometimes life is crap' sums up perfectly the randomness of the cards we are all dealt.

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Isobel

Sat 10th Jul 2010 09:50

Thanks for your comment Ann. I thought you were a french speaker for some reason - must have been that raunchy poem about having fun in Paris! Glad you enjoyed the sound of it, anyway. x

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Isobel

Sat 10th Jul 2010 09:45

I think you are a pasta master at this type of poetry, Dave! I'm disappointed that you didn't chuck some of your own special Italian in though...
I think 'bastard' may also have thrown your rhyming scheme at one point - I won't hold it against you though!
This went down brilliantly at the Tudor - a great performance piece.

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Sat 10th Jul 2010 09:35

Hi - great poem Isobel & you are so right about our struggles in life fuelling our art. My life has been very shitty in parts, (and probably, like many people, I seriously thought of ending it) - but still, not anything like as hard as yours, but I have been lucky in finding a "trick" to banish all regrets. For me, having a regret is a wishing that your life had been otherwise, (is that what you mean ?) - which (for me) is a negative view and unattainable anyway. There's nothing wrong with capitalising on our troubles & turning them into art, but (for me) to have regrets is to dwell on the past - to "agree" to be a victim of what may very well have been intolerable at the time. But that is in the past & by "agreeing" to hold onto our regrets (to "indulge" in them) - one cannot help but be (at least partly) governed & defined by them.
I know I sound like a vicar here - and I'm not at all religious - but if you Wanted to let go of your regrets - as I did - you can simply let go of them - not forget them, but deny them their hold over you. I haven't forgotten my troubles, but they no longer affect or define who I am. If your definition of Regrets is different than mine, then maybe your use of them to build your art is a good thing for you - an exorcising of your ghosts - but for me they would no longer be defined as regrets, just memories. It does sound as if I just like hearing the sound of my own voice here!
Sermon over :)

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Sat 10th Jul 2010 08:21

Really enjoyed this! The line

' Cogs were whirring far too fast-a,
Flying belts went whizzing past-a.'

is easily the best of the whole place! Very amusing.

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Sat 10th Jul 2010 08:05

Theres something very 'Borges' about this piece, perhaps its the entwining of something rather large, with something small and personal.

I like your confidence with reusing phrases and words, it fits the rebellious theme of the poem - an aggressive use of language that defines an aggressive poplace.

I have to agree with the other comments in that it's a very oral poem - the use of alliteration helps the words to roll of your tongue in thick globs, almost bloodlike itself.

A very good poem.

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Sat 10th Jul 2010 07:58

Cynthia,

Thankyou most kindly for commenting! I'm glad you enjoy my poetry, and your encouragement is much appreciated - as a pessimist I am prone to shelving opposed to sharing, and I feel far more ready to share after your insightful response.

Danke.

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Ann Foxglove

Sat 10th Jul 2010 06:31

Really like this, lots of phrases are great. Menacing but natural at the same time. Miss Haversham contemplating the end of the world! x

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Ann Foxglove

Sat 10th Jul 2010 06:26

You've made me feel very hungry! And it's good wheeze to end every line by adding an "a". That'll make it rhyme!! ;-) (Only kiddin') Really enjoyed it Dave, thanks! x

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Ann Foxglove

Sat 10th Jul 2010 06:19

Hi Larisa. I like this. As women we've just got to be what we've got to be! Sod the blokes! ;-) xx

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Ann Foxglove

Sat 10th Jul 2010 06:16

Hello Larisa - thanks for commenting on A Childhood. It is sad, I hope things get better for her. She is a real girl, the poem is made up of the bits and pieces that you hear about someone else's life when you live in a small community. You can know so much about someone that you have never even talked to. Not sure if that is good or bad! Part of village life. Stay well. xx

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Ann Foxglove

Sat 10th Jul 2010 06:11

Hi Dave - thanks for comments on my last two. x

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Sat 10th Jul 2010 05:12

thank you for your kind comment , it's a shame that he had to go young , I saw his last show and he was brilliant. Keep one writing mate I like your work

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Francine

Sat 10th Jul 2010 02:02

I love the title and the meaning behind it!
Very clever Peter... And this definitely needs to be read several times to take it all in.

Je me souviens de cette photo aussi.

xxxxx

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Isobel

Sat 10th Jul 2010 01:57

Oh my Goodness - I've just got it! I was reading it with a french accent before - what a twit! Only you could come up with that! Need to find myself an oar, obviously...Tee hee - you should write a funny french poem - you'd bring the house down!

Yours,

Sleepless from Wigan. xx

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Dave Carr

Sat 10th Jul 2010 01:42

Hi Isobel,
Re: the comment..
Read in French.
Pensé en Anglais.
Dave

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Dave Carr

Sat 10th Jul 2010 01:26

At a terminal velocity of 250 feet per second it takes about 40 seconds to fall 10000 feet. Our son did a parachute jump for charity over Morecambe Bay. Watched him do it and the video. Don't think I'll be doing that. Just edited this comment as I though the original was a bit heartless.
....Nice poem by the way!
Dave

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Isobel

Sat 10th Jul 2010 01:24

You can be as flippant as you like on my poems Dave - all friendly banter more than welcome!I am struggling to understand your french though - was that the back of a wine bottle?Tell me where you went to get such a clean beach - I haven't managed to find one yet...xx

ps I will read and comment on yours tomorrow. Am tired - I need to sleep. I enjoyed that pasta one at the Tudor though - it was one of those funny groan ones - where each line takes you to new hights...

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Dave Carr

Sat 10th Jul 2010 00:59

Hi Larisa,Thanks for comment.Don't get many the other side of Wigan!Dave

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Dave Carr

Sat 10th Jul 2010 00:53

Sad indeed
Dave

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Dave Carr

Sat 10th Jul 2010 00:43

Made me think of Eyam and the wells.
Dave

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Dave Carr

Sat 10th Jul 2010 00:35

Ray,
I like everything about this poem.
The backbone rhyme... Did you write that first? Is it a recognised pattern or should we call it after you?... The character, the rhyming and the humour... everything.
Dave

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Pete Crompton

Sat 10th Jul 2010 00:27

brilliant performance at Wigan
Love the 'nude twister' imagary, sounds suburban wife swap ish, super curtain twitchin stuff!

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Pete Crompton

Sat 10th Jul 2010 00:26

Dave, thanks, its fallen into 3 pieces, i may apply some abridgment

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Dave Carr

Sat 10th Jul 2010 00:16

Pete,Good one.I like especially..grand grey of your skelmersdale concourse and This illness is tattered cloth Between your ears In all canals Dave

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winston plowes

Fri 9th Jul 2010 23:34

Nice :-)

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Larisa Rzhepishevska

Fri 9th Jul 2010 22:56

Very nice limerick. And.... really funny.

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Fri 9th Jul 2010 22:44

Ha ha I'd go for that ;-)
TC

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Larisa Rzhepishevska

Fri 9th Jul 2010 22:13

It is so true: sometimes life is crap.
Good poem.
With warmest wishes,
Larisa

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Lynn Dye

Fri 9th Jul 2010 21:18

I find this very moving, Dianna, and very well put. IMO you are right not to alter a thing. Best Wishes, Lynn x

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Graham Sherwood

Fri 9th Jul 2010 17:44

Surely bitter and acrid are totally different. Bitter is a taste/emotion thing, whereas acrid is an aroma/sensation thing. I'm happy to read both although I'm also a strong believer in not wasting words. Welcome by the way Heather.

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Ann Foxglove

Fri 9th Jul 2010 17:20

Hi Gus - I love "Faded blue jeans that cry out for an arse" (well, I don't love THAT) it's a great line. The last verse made these men seem quite endearing somehow. But please don't do a follow up about women of a certain age - or I might have to extermintate you! ;-)

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Andy N

Fri 9th Jul 2010 14:59

welcome, heather.. i really enjoyed this... lot of power in this i particular the use of the thud, thud, thud twice.. it adds a lot to the piece i feel.

good stuff - keep it coming! it certainly left me interested in wanting to read more!

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