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Julian (Admin)

Wed 6th Jun 2012 11:33

Hi Kirsten
I meant no offence to Apples and Snakes and particularly not to you. We have worked with A and S a lot over the years very successfully at times.
What you guys do is valuable in getting some professionalism and quality into this huge, eclectic live-poetry scene. It was more the mismatch between the Arts Council's perception of what it is about and, I suppose, mine. I think they and A&S see it about performance. I see the live poetry scene's biggest benefit being its engagement with huge numbers of otherwise-non-participating 'poets', many of whom would not have known about the beneficial effects - dammit, the sheer joy - of writing what you want to write/say, and having a forum for your work, regardless of what boxes you tick, or categories you are deemed to be in. This gives a voice to the otherwise unvoiced.
Sure, performance skills are interesting for those who consider it a career path, but I would suggest that most of those on the open-mic circuit are there for the pleasure of sharing their words with others occasionally, being heard and appreciated for what they have to say, and how they have chosen to say it.
An evaluation of Write Out Loud's work compared us favourably with the WEA in terms of the educational value of what we are doing.
The overemphasis on youth is soul-destroying to those people - thousands of them/us - who discover live poetry, which is more accessible than published poetry, more fun, more sociable, late in life. It actually reinforces a sense of there being a small elite that does not want to know about the vast majority.
I do have issues with Apples and Snakes, though have good relationship with some of the individuals.
We have worked with A&S when it was us getting them an audience locally for a tour that was elsewhere playing to the janitor and his missus. A&S had their annual grant reduced to what to us is an eye-wateringly huge sum. We get nothing, and are subsidising our work out of our own pockets because we believe in it and the 1,000 visits a day to our site, the 12,000 unique users monthly are testament to the fact that we tick their boxes, not the funders'. We are doing a service to thousands of poets nationally, but told not to bother applying for portfolio funding. Forgive me for a bit of cynicism. I approached A&S to see if, given that you had the funding and we didn't, you could provide a workshop for our poets, so they could build on their skills. It was a flop because A&S brought someone up from down south who was a great performance poet, but no workshop leader. He 'delivered at' the participants rather than finding out where they where and what they needed.
Arts Council have told us to contact you with a view to working with A&S, as your funding is meant to be used in partnership with other players, apparently. I have tried to talk to your last two directors about and been ignored twice. We do have our dignity. So, again, forgive the cynicism.
I would be happy to hear about the work you do. Perhaps you could write us an article about it for the website? That would be appreciated.

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Graham Clifford

Wed 6th Jun 2012 10:05

Thanks Stella. that WD40 is wonder stuff.

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Marnanel Thurman

Wed 6th Jun 2012 09:23

I was wondering which she meant, because this was a deliberate mashup of Eliot's "Naming of Cats" and Henry Reed's "Naming of Parts". If you don't know both of them, it will make less sense.

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Wed 6th Jun 2012 09:09


Clever stuff! Love the bomb shape and the fun.. :)

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Wed 6th Jun 2012 09:06

Really enjoyed the whole..lovely stuff and a corker of a last line..aye those inner gubbins need to lose their squeaks!

:)

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Wed 6th Jun 2012 01:01

Ayup matey!
where the thump have you been hiding?
nice to see thee back young feller me lad.xx

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Wed 6th Jun 2012 00:53

Hiya Thomas I think Ann most probably means T.S. Elliot The Naming of Cats

His ineffable effable
Effanineffable
Deep and inscrutable singular Name.

I enjoyed your cat read.

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Isobel

Wed 6th Jun 2012 00:10

I've never pondered upon the difference between less and few before,but maybe I should have - if you'll forgive that sentence structure :)

Something I do notice, is the way people constantly confuse 'amount' with 'number'. Perhaps it's time to pull our fingers out of the damn and just accept that language is changing.

An amusing read. Welcome to WOL Karen.



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Marnanel Thurman

Tue 5th Jun 2012 23:50

Thank you! Out of interest, which do you think the original poem is?

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winston plowes

Tue 5th Jun 2012 23:33

well read John

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winston plowes

Tue 5th Jun 2012 23:32

when's the album out?

win

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winston plowes

Tue 5th Jun 2012 23:30

great stuff John. Win

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winston plowes

Tue 5th Jun 2012 23:27

Bloater (A dictionary definition) - Bloaters are "salted and lightly smoked without gutting, giving a characteristic slightly gamey flavor" ?

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Graham Sherwood

Tue 5th Jun 2012 22:44

Welcome to WOL Karen.

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Graham Clifford

Tue 5th Jun 2012 22:09

Thanks Ann. Hope you like the image, too. JB is kind of not related, but his expression is priceless.

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Ann Foxglove

Tue 5th Jun 2012 22:09

Clever - feel I'd like a couple more verses. Seems slightly incomplete to me. Maybe there needs to be more of a connection between the original poem and yours - PS. have you just got a cat? =.=

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Ann Foxglove

Tue 5th Jun 2012 22:05

Lovely! Has a subtly about it which I like.

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Ann Foxglove

Tue 5th Jun 2012 22:03

Thanks for reading, Shadwell. I appreciate the feedback. I think the way it was written was to contrast a real but flawed (i.e human) person with an idealised man (Maxim de Winter.) It was a written as a gesture to this person (now no longer around, sadly) inspired by once more being at the place where we gazed up at the "posh" hotel while on our walk along the south west way, all scruffy and windswept. Happy days!

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Ann Foxglove

Tue 5th Jun 2012 21:59

Thanks for reading, Shadwell. I appreciate the feedback.

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Gina Jarvi

Tue 5th Jun 2012 19:56

Thank you, Ann ~ I am letting my poems out for a spell... to give them a bit of fresh air. It's been a long while. I hope it inspires me to pick up the practice again. I am enjoying this site. I thank you for your welcome.

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Pete

Tue 5th Jun 2012 16:49

Thanks Ann.
I have reached a time in life when the compactness and spontaneity of performance poetry appeals to me so much more than my "old life" of carrying huge ammounts of equipment around; and having to cater for the tantrums of other musicians who I would be working with.
With poetry I can travel light both physicaly and in mind.
I look forward to a long association with WOL.

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Nichola Smith

Tue 5th Jun 2012 16:00

Thank you both for your warm welcome and kind comments!

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shadwell smith

Tue 5th Jun 2012 15:34

I enjoyed the mannered feel of the poem, leading in to that lovely denouement on the rock. I wonder, however, if you really need the MAXIM – NOT MAXIM – MAXIM – NOT MAXIM structure. Not too keen on "haversacked and anoraked" – seems a little bit too ‘poetry’ to my ear. I’d even go so far as to question whether you really need S2 at all. Its removal gives your ending more impact, I think, although I do like the ‘noses pressed to the sweetshop window’ line.

"at end of day" – do people really talk like that?

Just my thoughts. I liked this very much – I really did.

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Rowena M Love

Tue 5th Jun 2012 14:47

Thanks for the warm welcome, Ann. I'll certainly do so soon.

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M.C. Newberry

Tue 5th Jun 2012 14:10

My Collins Gem dictionary defines "poem" as...
"imaginative composition in verse", whereas the Concise Oxford Dictionary defines the word as...
"metrical composition"/"an elevated composition
in verse or prose". However, your post seems
to fall outside both of the COD definitions
these since it is neither metrical nor elevated
(if you'll pardon the use of the latter term in the context of the content).
In fact, the thing is definitely a bit fishy!

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Ann Foxglove

Tue 5th Jun 2012 14:10

Hi MNtality - welcome to WOL.

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Ann Foxglove

Tue 5th Jun 2012 14:06

Hi Phil - welcome to WOL. I enjoyed your piece of work here - why not try posting a poem in the blog section? More people will read work that is put on there.

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Ann Foxglove

Tue 5th Jun 2012 14:01

Hi Elisha - welcome to WOL :)

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Ann Foxglove

Tue 5th Jun 2012 13:56

Hi Donna - welcome to WOL. I hope you enjoy exploring the site.

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Ann Foxglove

Tue 5th Jun 2012 13:54

Hi Gina - welcome to WOL. I really like your use of language - hope you put some more poems in the blog section.

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Ann Foxglove

Tue 5th Jun 2012 13:52

Hi Jason - welcome to WOL. And good for you, getting started on this poetry lark while still so young! Nice lively stuff it is too :)

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Ann Foxglove

Tue 5th Jun 2012 13:48

Hi Margaret - welcome to WOL. I hope you will enjoy being a part of the site. Putting a poem on the blog section is a good way to get feedback and to get to know other folk on here, if that is your wish :)

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Ann Foxglove

Tue 5th Jun 2012 13:45

Hi Sunshine - a very warm welcome to WOL. Hope you enjoy the site :)

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Ann Foxglove

Tue 5th Jun 2012 13:42

Hi Christopher - welcome to WOL :)

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Ann Foxglove

Tue 5th Jun 2012 13:40

Hi Phil - a warm welcome to WOL!

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Ann Foxglove

Tue 5th Jun 2012 13:37

Hi Stephanie - welcome to WOL.

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Ann Foxglove

Tue 5th Jun 2012 11:48

Hi Rowena - welcome to WOL. I really like your poems and audio. Hope you might put a poem on the blog section sometime. That's where more people will see your stuff and it's a good way to get feedback too.

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Ann Foxglove

Tue 5th Jun 2012 11:44

Hi Maggie - welcome to WOL. I hope you enjoy being a part of the site. Looking forward to seeing more of your work on here soon :)

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Ann Foxglove

Tue 5th Jun 2012 11:23

Hi Margaret - welcome to WOL. I hope you will enjoy being a part of the site.

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Ann Foxglove

Tue 5th Jun 2012 11:20

Hi Karen - welcome to WOL. Great poems here on your profile, and they would sound really good as a performance pieces. Re knowing where to start with performing your stuff, Write Out Loud has a really good gig guide (complete with map!) so you could take a look and see if there is anywhere near you that has an open mic and go along. I'm sure you'll love it! And if you put a poem on the blog section here I'm sure you'll get some feedback - might help you decide which type of poetry you're best at. But hey! Why not just do both anyway! ;)

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Ann Foxglove

Tue 5th Jun 2012 11:14

Hi Julie - a war welcome to WOL. I hope you enjoy being a part of the site.

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Ann Foxglove

Tue 5th Jun 2012 11:11

Hi Jane - and welcome to WOL. It would be really good if you can add a bit to your profile and show us some of your poetry. That way you will enjoy the site more, I am sure :)

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Ann Foxglove

Tue 5th Jun 2012 11:09

Hi Pete - welcome to WOL. Hope you enjoy the site. Performance poetry can be addictive I find! Glad you enjoy it.

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Ann Foxglove

Tue 5th Jun 2012 11:05

Hi Patrick - welcome to WOL. I love your cat obit poem! Hope to see more of your work on here soon.

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shadwell smith

Tue 5th Jun 2012 10:37

Hello and thank you for the welcome, Ann. Yes, I will put something up in the blog section eventually, and hope to crit as good as I get. I'm looking foward to being here.

btw, I like what DH does with butterflies but most of the rest of it leaves me scratching my head.

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Ann Foxglove

Tue 5th Jun 2012 09:31

Hi Nigel - welcome to WOL - The Website! Great to hear that being part of the open mic nights has helped to lead you to poetry success! Hope to see more of your work on here soon. :)

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Ann Foxglove

Tue 5th Jun 2012 09:28

Hi Sheila - nice poem - and welcome to WOL. I hope you enjoy using the site. :)

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Ann Foxglove

Tue 5th Jun 2012 09:25

Hi JK - welcome to WOL. Hope you enjoy the site and good luck with your venture into poetry!

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Ann Foxglove

Tue 5th Jun 2012 09:22

Hi Viv - welcome to WOL. I like your poem - and your attitude to life as well. And I'm sure I'm often thought of as a silly old bat too! Hope you enjoy being a part of WOL.

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Ann Foxglove

Tue 5th Jun 2012 09:17

Hi Joy - welcome to WOL. I enjoyed your poem - very lyrical! Hope to see more on here soon.

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