Just for interest: I wasn't going to touch such a hot potato as Justice'. But the idea wouldn't let me go. I looked up the term 'justice' in several books and followed the related threads until I had two A4's full of notes. I was quite amazed at the bizarre spread, each with supportive material. This is, after all, only a short poem, but I did put a lot of thought and editting into it, to make at least a slight inroad into the shocking contradictions which I found. Writing the poem made me realize even more ambiguities about this thorny subject.
Comment is about the great fallacy (blog)
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John, this is really good, a deep and passionate portrayal with a few inspired words. The title is superb. I look forward to more of your work.
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It isn't likely that this is as obvious as it might seem at first glance. I don't know who 'Roxy' is, or what the name lampoons, or personifies ... could be anything, which is actually very appropriate. Sarah Palin does come to mind. The poem is very well done with its consistent rhyme scheme and the musical scanning. Could you possibly be referring to the famous 'sweet spot' of female genitalia which seems to be so little known?
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I find this poem delightful. I finally picked up on the italics of 'can', and the wince of annoyance. It's never easy to consort with a know-it-all companion, especially an artsy one who talks about bluebells as 'a slide made of sky'. This piece winds about, with great imagination for one who 'barely gives the time of day' and can envisage history warring all around him. I like the 'Butterflies.....new Zealand' best. The speaker seems so young, with 'stuff' swirling in his head, so much to reconcile. And the homily to conclude is superb! I may be in outer space with this whole idea, but it did strike me in this way.
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In sex, let the bodies do the talking; they can't lie. And the listening. Perfect communication.
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Kealan, you want 'YOU'RE'. If I thought it was deliberate, I'd say nothing; but I think it's just a common mistake - which doesn't look good.
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This does come under the idea of 'horny old goat', doesn't it? Very amusing and well-maintained throughout; good pronunciation too.
Comment is about Femme Fatale (blog)
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You've got your priorities straight. Enjoy your revision and the exams themselves. I do think you like a challenge. Share with us again when you are truly able.
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Many thanks for the kind comments on Port Isaac Dave. some pieces just write themselves. just spent a week there and the surrounds. Does Ann live near there then? Regards, Graham
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I'd love to see/hear you sing this in the Stretford End John. I guess there are only two types of football supporters, the Manchester United fans -
and the jealous . . .
Althouigh Barcelona must be a good team to be entering two events at the same time - the Champions League Final -
and the World Diving Championships . . .
COME ON YOU REDS!
Regards,
A.E. :)
Comment is about Manchester United 0 Barcelona 2 (blog)
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Hi charlene, you better concentrate on your exams. But when you have the time keep your poetry interest going. we needs some ear candy every now and then. Good luck with your exams, stay well and stay safe.
Much love
Michael
xxx
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Googling just gives recipes.
If you put chevre chaud into the babylon 9 translator it comes back with WARM GOAT.
Which is what I thought!
Comment is about Femme Fatale (blog)
Original item by Dave Carr
Thought provoking in the narrow and particularly the broader sense.
Chris
Comment is about Two candles (blog)
Original item by Dave Bradley
The poem is interesting in terms of rhetoric and I think it would read well. It could be used in a discussion of the power of rhetoric and semantics. From a logical philosophical point of view there are lots of false arguments, not least the repeated use of non sequiturs.
Whether that detracts from the poem or not is subjective. For me it makes it interesting for the aforementioned reasons.
Chris
P.S
Dave- the wider discussion of justice in the context of humanity and history was not the issue in our prior discussion. The issue was justice in the context of western civilizations in the year 2011. What happened with OBL takes place int he context of that bubble and in context to what happened at Nuremberg and what happened with Saddam and with Milosevic. The issue also revolved around the nuanced difference we have between 'needs must' and 'justice'. High redefinition of the latter is a slippery slope- something I previously detailed.
I am perfectly aware of the angle you were coming from and accept that justice is far from easily definable when taking in all the lands/people and history of the world. I agree with you on that- but that wasn't the point.
Comment is about the great fallacy (blog)
Original item by Cynthia Buell Thomas
"who often seem to use vicarious success to bolster their own fragile self-esteem, aided and abetted by a sycophantic media and international branding" - WOW!
It's a good job I wrote the poem, Dave, and not you!
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Greg
Thanks for the comment on Fergie, Fergie. Bravery doesn't come into it; I have stupidity on my side.
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Enjoyed this very much, Dave. :)
Like Ann, didn't know what a chevre chaud was, but googled it, good ol' google!
Comment is about Femme Fatale (blog)
Original item by Dave Carr
Homer Simpson voice: '...or is it?...'
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Thanks for commenting on Pearls.
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Enjoyed this, John. We have friends coming to stay on the weekend of the final, and the male half is a fervent Man U supporter. Not looking forward to that - can't even crow if they lose, most impolite to a guest - I'll have to actually be sympathetic if I can manage it. At least he's from Manchester, unlike most Man U supporters, who often seem to use vicarious success to bolster their own fragile self-esteem, aided and abetted by a sycophantic media and international branding. Football was so much more enjoyable when there were genuine surprises in which teams finished near or at the top of the top flight. Murdoch has a lot to answer for.
Comment is about Manchester United 0 Barcelona 2 (blog)
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I'm in the same boat here as Jules in particular the last two lines although you may have a few too and's in the last few lines for my personal liking..
Comment is about Untitled (blog)
loved this, Kath.. You may want to think about a split from 'I fall towards the blackness of release' as there seems to me like it could benefit from splitting the stanzas there, but either way - loved it...
hope you are good x
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Original item by Kath Hewitt
enjoyed this, Cynthia... was a good night @ Freed Up although it did finish very late x
Comment is about the great fallacy (blog)
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Brave man, John! There are a lot of Man U fans on WOL!
Comment is about Manchester United 0 Barcelona 2 (blog)
Original item by John Coopey
Thanks for comment Ann.
Happiness is a chevre chaud.
Actually I found out I was dyslexic when I went to a toga party dressed as a goat. :-)
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Fri 20th May 2011 04:35
I like it. It reminds me of someone who I know who I miss
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Every time I go to the gym there's always 2 or 3 lads in MU shirts - unless they've lost; then it seems they must be in the wash!
Comment is about Manchester United 0 Barcelona 2 (blog)
Original item by John Coopey
This happened to me as well, Dave. I ended up with cul de sac.
Comment is about Femme Fatale (blog)
Original item by Dave Carr
What can one say?
This is quite a passionate and thought-provoking essay, Mike.
I feel for you and those who suffer mental and physical anguish.
Comment is about Mistrust (Many The Gulf Veteran) (blog)
Original item by Noetic-fret!
Oh god!! I read to the very end and then . . . what's a "chevre chaud" for gawd's sake! Je suis une idiote mais je missed the punchline! Quelle domage!
Comment is about Femme Fatale (blog)
Original item by Dave Carr
Thu 19th May 2011 21:38
Just read your stuff Cynthia and liked it- life force abundant and the words!
steve smith
Comment is about Cynthia Buell Thomas (poet profile)
Original item by Cynthia Buell Thomas
Exquisite.
It can be felt like an exorcism.
I often go sit near the water to watch the sunset... and I feel so free : )
Comment is about Sunset (blog)
Original item by Kath Hewitt
Yes - 'Justice is a moral issue'... and so dependent on one's beliefs concludes 'whose end and by what means'
I believe in Karma, so in my mind, one can never escape justice.
Comment is about the great fallacy (blog)
Original item by Cynthia Buell Thomas
Cela m'a fait sourire...
Oh là là ; )
Comment is about Femme Fatale (blog)
Original item by Dave Carr
Hi Greg
I only started supporting Everton in Autumn 1983 when my son decided he wanted to. Things were dismal then - it was before the great days of the mid 80s.
The game I particularly remember is the last of the 1987 season when we already had the title in the bag, beating Tottenham 1-0. The atmosphere in the stadium was fairly flat considering the achievement. You could cut the complacency with a knife - a lesson if there ever was one about sitting on your laurels in a competitive context.
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There's memory for you! I had a sneaking feeling I had the wrong month. What about you? Have you got one game that sticks out, when everything seemed aligned, somehow? I think it's got to be when you were a kid, before you realised there were other things in life. And I don't fancy our chances at Goodison: it's just lucky the title isn't resting on it!
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Excellent and I take your point (mostly). But justice is not solely a moral issue - it is also prudential within the context of a given society. If whatever the members of that society conceive as justice does not come about, then there are often adverse consequences. Alienation, cynicism, vigilantism etcetera.
It would be interesting to see what Chris Co made of this, after a recent inconclusive discussion on Steve Regan's Facebook page.
Comment is about the great fallacy (blog)
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Terry White
Thu 19th May 2011 12:58
John, you're quite right to mention Wembley the following year! Funnily enough I associate Waterloo Sunset with that one, a more melancholy ditty ...
Comment is about John Coopey (poet profile)
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Thanks for your comments on Janis, Lynn. She was a bit special.
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Going to the GreenRoom tonight, in Manchester, with this themed work on Justice'. Performance will dictate its reception - the manner of reading propelling the words in the sense desired....I HOPE.
Comment is about the great fallacy (blog)
Original item by Cynthia Buell Thomas
Thanks for taking the trouble to comment on the November 1966 fragment, Ann, even though you're a not a football fan! I think great pop records help to frame a moment, and if it wasn't for the song I don't think I would remember it. (I guess you could extend the poem and turn it into something else. I've just Googled and discovered it was the month that John and Yoko first met).
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Thank you, dear Lynn. xx
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Enjoyed this, Larisa. xx
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Philipos
Sun 22nd May 2011 08:32
Thank you very much Cynthia for your words on Saving Grace your advice is always spot on and I have reworked this accordingly. Much obliged.
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