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Alan Summers

Mon 29th Mar 2010 12:23

Tips about writing a Haiku

It's an urban myth that haiku have to be 5/7/5 English-language syllables.

If you do write them that way make sure your writing is natural.

Many traffic signs in Japan are 5/7/5 but they are certainly not haiku. ;-)

Think of a haiku as two parts, one line and two lines, doesn't matter
which order.

Use a subtle clue to suggest the season e.g.

cool morning
birdsong
light on a distant cloud

Alan Summers
1. Haiku Friends Vol. 3 Ed. Masaharu Hirata Osaka, Japan (2009)
2. Birdsong - a haiku sequence Together They Stood Poetry Now 2004 ISBN
1844607852
3. Azami Haiku in English Commemorative Issue 2000
4. Modern Haiku, USA Fall, October 1999

'cool' is a clue to the season. This clue is also known as a kigo, or
season word. Cool is a clue or season word suggesting Summer.

Sometimes the season clue can be obvious and even point to a specific day
e.g.

allhallowmas...
the goblins go back
into their books

Alan Summers
1. The Haiku Calendar 2010 ISBN 978-1-903543-27-6 (November)
2. Haiku Friends 2 ed. Masaharu Hirata, Osaka Japan 2007


So remember to indicate the time of year with a seasonal clue, and that's
your one line finished.

Next is the two line part otherwise known as the 'phrase'.

I prefer to write about something I've personally experienced, as it's
also a great reminder, even years later, of what happend. e.g.

a girl’s laughter
in and out of nettlebeds
a cabbage butterfly

Alan Summers
1. Runner up Snapshot Press Millennium Haiku Calendar Competiton
2. Highly Commended 1997 Hobo Haiku International Competition, New South
Wales, Australia
3. The Redmoon Anthology 1997 ISBN 0-9657818-5-2 Redmoon Press U.S.A.
4. Haiku International, Japan May 1997


'cabbage butterfly' suggests the time around Summer, and the girl's
laughter in the nettlebeds reminds me of a wonderful time in an inner-city
farm.

Have a go yourself, it's easy, but remember to make the language sound
natural, especially if you do want to attempt 5/7/5.

Good luck!

Alan
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Alan Summers

Mon 29th Mar 2010 12:14

Tips about writing a Haiku

It's an urban myth that haiku have to be 5/7/5 English-language syllables.

If you do write them that way always make sure your writing is natural.

Many traffic signs in Japan are 5/7/5 but they are certainly not haiku. ;-)

Think of a haiku as two parts, one line and two lines, doesn't matter which order.

Use a subtle clue to suggest the season e.g.

cool morning
birdsong
light on a distant cloud

Alan Summers
1. Haiku Friends Vol. 3 Ed. Masaharu Hirata Osaka, Japan (2009)
2. Birdsong - a haiku sequence Together They Stood Poetry Now 2004 ISBN 1844607852
3. Azami Haiku in English Commemorative Issue 2000
4. Modern Haiku, USA Fall, October 1999

'cool' is a clue to the season. This clue is also known as a kigo, or season word. Cool is a clue or season word suggesting Summer.

Sometimes the season clue can be obvious and even point to a specific day e.g.

allhallowmas...
the goblins go back
into their books

Alan Summers
1. The Haiku Calendar 2010 ISBN 978-1-903543-27-6 (November)
2. Haiku Friends 2 ed. Masaharu Hirata, Osaka Japan 2007


So remember to indicate the time of year with a seasonal clue, and that's your one line finished.

Next is the two line part otherwise known as the 'phrase'.

I prefer to write about something I've personally experienced, as it's also a great reminder, even years later, of what happend. e.g.

a girl’s laughter
in and out of nettlebeds
a cabbage butterfly

Alan Summers
1. Runner up Snapshot Press Millennium Haiku Calendar Competiton
2. Highly Commended 1997 Hobo Haiku International Competition, New South Wales, Australia
3. The Redmoon Anthology 1997 ISBN 0-9657818-5-2 Redmoon Press U.S.A.
4. Haiku International, Japan May 1997


'cabbage butterfly' suggests the time around Summer, and the girl's laughter in the nettlebeds reminds me of a wonderful time in an inner-city farm.

Have a go yourself, it's easy, but remember to make the language sound natural, especially if you do want to attempt 5/7/5.

Good luck!

Alan
With Words:
http://www.withwords.org.uk/what.html

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Rachel McGladdery

Mon 29th Mar 2010 11:17

Hi Andy, thanks very much for reading and commenting on my poem,glad you liked it.
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Ray Miller

Mon 29th Mar 2010 11:09

Liked this a lot, Rachel. "a scrape, a scuff of ill planned heel on rock" and "But for the ticking of a pipit" two of several good lines. Why an obscenity of frogspawn?If I were to be critical, I'd say the punctuation and line breaks are a bit erratic. Lovely poem, nonetheless.

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David Cooke

Mon 29th Mar 2010 09:58

Hi Greg As ever thanks for the comments. I'm a lapsed Catholic myself and I think YouTube is about as close to the 'afterlife' we're ever likely to get! It is pretty amazing and if I wasn't always so busy I'm sure I could spend hours on it. I've wanted to do one on the Wolf Man for ages, but it only recently came together. I also quite fancy doing one on Muddy Waters and another on John Lee Hooker - a kind of holy trinity of the Chicago Blues. At the moment, though, I don't really have any angles to proceed on.

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Andy N

Mon 29th Mar 2010 08:16

some good lines in this, steven..my favourite in this is the first line of the 1st stanza and the 3rd stanza..

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Andy N

Mon 29th Mar 2010 08:15

good stuff, rachel. really enjoyed this... nicely judged

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Andy N

Mon 29th Mar 2010 08:13

bet this took you a bit to write... it is one of those pieces where the slightness displays the hint that this was much harder work than people may originally think. first rate,m8

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Rachel McGladdery

Mon 29th Mar 2010 06:55

Morning Greg, Oh I dunno about the past/present thing so much. I think yours are more immediate possibly because you have the knack of making them seem current, I'm sure yours (like mine) are from tales you heard throughout your life, mine possibly carry the second hand feeling more than yours. In any case I think the fact that yours seem less removed from the present make them more vivid and effective.
Cool coincidence though isn't it that we are both writing a similar theme, feels like we are fellow travellers if you'll allow a tired cliche!Lol.(I'm a tired cliche-er)
I have also fallen foul of the old plastic bird trick, in our case a 3x life size plastic kingfisher on the canal towpath, I hadn't seen one before (though it did look a bit too big) and me and my youngest son did a ridiculous SAS type stalk so it didn't fly off in alarm.
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Rachel McGladdery

Mon 29th Mar 2010 06:45

I've never been to Paris (any offers?) but this is a lovely poem. The hands tied gently line got me too. beautiful. I love that it is snatches of memories it's sort of diffuse and intense at the same time, just like memories are.
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Rachel McGladdery

Mon 29th Mar 2010 06:34

Morning Dave, thanks for the comment on th'poem. yep, we are very lucky, not many hen harriers around anywhere these days but they nest around Bowland...I can't (without binoculars) be 100% sure it was a hen harrier but it looked very much like one.
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Isobel

Mon 29th Mar 2010 00:31

Yes Francine - all we need is a baguette with bit of cheese and we could be there - soaking up the atmosphere in Ann's fusty room...

Chris - you are making me wish I could just up sticks and go there for a week-end. Poetry on the Seine - with enough of us out there it could divine! Somebody organise it - I've had enough of the Douglas.

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Rachel Bond

Sun 28th Mar 2010 23:48

Thank you for the offer of a fight with your brother. Thats sounds grand to me.I had not had a few the other night, I just talk shit most the time and am always ready to give you a dead arm chris. It makes me uncomfortable when everybody is nice to each other all the time which is why I am usually found starting arguements.If we can just fight instead that'd be great...black eye next time chris?

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Dave Bradley

Sun 28th Mar 2010 22:54

Intriguing. I thought she was going to get hit by lightning at the end

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Sun 28th Mar 2010 22:51

Cheers Dave-ohh! John Lee Hooker was the Man round the Manchester clubs-in the thar days-What a scene to have had the very good fortune of being in! fab gear Man! get my mojo out in a bit-sniff sniff! Stef.

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Dave Bradley

Sun 28th Mar 2010 22:48

Can but agree with the others. Terrific. A hen harrier - lucky you.

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Dave Bradley

Sun 28th Mar 2010 22:40

It is isn't it. I love mine too.

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Dave Bradley

Sun 28th Mar 2010 22:37

Cate is spot on in saying that the tight style and repetition reflects the drudgery of poverty. The style is as restricted as the lifestyle. Excellent poem Cynthia - we all need reminding regularly what is out there.

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Sun 28th Mar 2010 22:35

another great poem ann - I love the way the poem turns a corner with "hands tied gently....."perfect.

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Francine

Sun 28th Mar 2010 22:15

We decorate Ann's poem well with the Eiffel Tower and a bottle of
(what I presume to be) French Merlot ; )

Ummm... Make that a GREAT second best!

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Chris Dawson

Sun 28th Mar 2010 22:13

Isobel - you have to go back and change that memory - it's one of the most beautiful, interesting, glorious cities in the world!
Though the only experience I had there that echoed yours Ann, was the coffee... interesting memory.
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Sun 28th Mar 2010 22:11

Good evening Kath-some people have probs etc with sad poems-me?-no way,I,m open to all aspects of life and death-poetry(I think)has to include all.Sombre image this poem,but well worded-re my comment on being regretful about the past-I have two poems done quite a bit ago-on sameish subject-apologetic to family etc-would love your opinion-one called'Tonight Matthew'-and-'Went the day well?'if you prefer not-absolutely no probs-whenever you like-thanks-Stefan-x

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Isobel

Sun 28th Mar 2010 22:00

I only have bad memories of the Gare du Nord Francine - plus an awful stint as an au pair on the outskirts where I was totally mis-used by the family but didn't have the confidence to put my foot down or walk out...

I'd love to return one day and have a similar experience to Ann! If that never happens - you would make a good second best Francine! LOL -
I'm sure it wouldn't take us long to find company anyway - just so long as we went somewhere a bit more upmarket than the Gare du Nord!

Sorry to hijack your poem Ann - it just brought back a flood of memories - mine all to clear, unfortunately.

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Francine

Sun 28th Mar 2010 21:52

Eh ben Isobel...
On retournera ensemble un jour.
Il ne faut pas garder des mauvais souvenirs de Paris... ça ne se fait pas !

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Isobel

Sun 28th Mar 2010 21:41

Well it doesn't hold good memories for me. I remember missing the last train home there. After passing up on a rather dubious offer from the station master, I ended up sharing a room with 2 other students I'd never met before (one male) in a grotty little hotel. I slept with my clothes on, thinking I might wake up with a knife to my throat - the stress of it all!

Your week-end sounded like a lorra lorra fun...

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Greg Freeman

Sun 28th Mar 2010 20:34

Glad you enjoyed the Kingfisher poem, Rachel. A similar thing happened to me: I carefully prepared to take a picture of an immobile heron on the far side of the canal, poised to seize a fish, marvelling at its ability to keep so still, only to discover it was a plastic one. I need new glasses.
Thanks too for commenting on Eating in Private, and feeling it so much. It's intended to be part of a sequence, which I think you may be embarked on too, with your "war at sea" poems. I'm always looking forward to the next one. You have the knack of referring the past to the present, which maybe I need to do more with mine. Greg

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Francine

Sun 28th Mar 2010 20:11

Mmmm... Ce poème provoque de bons souvenirs...

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Sun 28th Mar 2010 16:44

Hello Cate

How lovely your comments are, almost as sad as the poem.

I agree with every thing you say, the world becomes a frightening place for many of us as we grow confused and infirm.

Thank you once again.

Augusta xx

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Sun 28th Mar 2010 16:35

Thank you Anne for reading my poem reference to my grandfather's Scrotum. and in particular the last line.

You are very encouraging and ... prolific...you probably written another ten poems becuse the clocks have gone forward affording you more datlight thinking time.... whoops... another poem... oh here comes another...

lucky girl it takes me ages.

Thanks again
Augusta xx

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Sun 28th Mar 2010 16:21

OI! Gladdrags! patum peperium-what disgusting language to use on Palm Sunday-wot I don,t understand anyway-heehee....ta chuck for chukkin' us a comment on me dicky..bird poo-em....in your neck of the woods(more or less,this week-Funky Fleetwood for four days-in caravan-now theres luxury!keep yer snow shoes handy-more on the way-'they' say! wot-not-a-skorcha!brrrr-Stef-xx

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Sun 28th Mar 2010 16:18



Good afternoon Isobel,

Thank you for grappling with my grandfathers scrotum.

I would very much like to produce a self published book of my poetry... and 'Bollocks' might well be the Title although many of my poems do include reference to ladies gentalia... now I wonder what a combination of the two might be...

I'm open, as always, to suggestions.

Augusta

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Francine

Sun 28th Mar 2010 16:08

I admire the fact that you are trying out different poetic forms
Cynthia - It is interesting to see and read. What Poverty is, can be different for everyone - I really like the last verse as it is a universal feeling and says it all.

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Sun 28th Mar 2010 16:01

Thank you so much Cynthia for taking the time to comment on my Granfather's scrotum.

Augusta xx

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Rachel McGladdery

Sun 28th Mar 2010 15:47

Hey Max, great to see you on here
rach
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Rachel McGladdery

Sun 28th Mar 2010 15:23

Thanks Greg, my grandad's ship was partly responsible for the sinking of the Scharnhorst and it was an abomination to him that they'd killed cadets.(the sailors didn't know till later) Thanks hugely for the comments, they really are appreciated.

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Ann Foxglove

Sun 28th Mar 2010 13:56

I think the one on the right is a bloke Steffie, (not sure where his hand is goin') but he has more blokey legs. I love the video (not sure about Kate as a small boy(?) in a dodgy wig but Donald Sutherland is so gorgeous! And it reminds me of all the men who are heroic and clever and inventive and wonderful. Like my dad and my partner (and you of course! ;-))xx

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Cate Greenlees

Sun 28th Mar 2010 13:40

Yep a truly fishy tale you`re quite right to fin ish!! oooops sos I just cant resist a pun!
Cate xx

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Sun 28th Mar 2010 13:28

I love the general theme and the idea of this Cynthia.
My 'favourite' stanzas are 4, 6, 7, 8 and the final one because they are the ones which touched my heart.
The whole thing though is very thought provoking. The only one i thought was a little out of place is the second one. Some people do still enjoy hunting for berries and wild greens just for the sheer pleasure.

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Graham Sherwood

Sun 28th Mar 2010 12:53

A lovely well observed piece Rachel with some very clever words. A thousand jelly eyes is great although the obscenity of frogspawn didn't sound right to me. Loved the feel of the birds and the almost surreal entrance of minis to what is a superb natural scene. Perhaps your best work for my liking.

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Sun 28th Mar 2010 12:44

One word for me sums this poem up-WOWSERS!(back to my drawing board)sniff sniff-yeah,let us not forget eh Rach.Stefan-x

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Greg Freeman

Sun 28th Mar 2010 12:22

Keenly felt, tears in the wind. You show great empathy with moments many years ago, Rachel

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Greg Freeman

Sun 28th Mar 2010 12:19

Wow, Rachel, this is absolutely the business! So well-observed, nature in tooth and claw, plus Minis. I've been waiting for you to introduce birds into your poems. The whole thing is like an "ice cold gulp of water." What a landscape. Marvellous. Greg

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Ray Miller

Sun 28th Mar 2010 11:45

Isobel, thanks for your kind remarks on Unexpected Steps. I retired over a year ago and the menagerie is somewhat depleted, 2 dogs, 4 cats and a rabbit. Can't seem to get rid of the kids, though.

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winston plowes

Sun 28th Mar 2010 11:28

Hi Cynthia, Liked this idea. Some great and strange subject matter. the sausages in crystal really put things nicely into perspective. also liked the idea that poverty is relative and to some it maybe going without caviar... to others going without food. maybe this could be explored further in another poem. Win

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Sun 28th Mar 2010 11:21

Heel Ms Foxglove, a graphic novel is a comic! Pictures (they call it 'artwork') and words (they call them 'captions')... I imagine the medium might appeal to you.

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Sun 28th Mar 2010 11:00

Ah!! so there you beautifully are-was it worth mithering you back again? too bloody right!(aw swearing on Palm Sunday)as to the poem? mmmmmm...not bad-not bad! just flippin brill! now put that navel down(save me the cheese!)loadsa love-Steffamungus-xx

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Isobel

Sun 28th Mar 2010 10:55

An entertaining read Ray. I agree with Janet - this is so off the wall but there is a thread of something else running through it that intrigues you. I love rhyme too - it makes poetry musical and definitely more performance friendly.

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Isobel

Sun 28th Mar 2010 10:46

Shock me - what happens when you get to 0 - Apocalypse Now?

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Isobel

Sun 28th Mar 2010 10:39

Stan's gloves definitely not in my car. I had to empty it recently cos it was going in for repairs. I found an awful lot of rubbish and things I'd forgotten I had - but no leather gloves. If they weren't at the Green Room, he may have dropped them en route to the car. I'm always doing things like that - often purses! Will defo make it to Waterside again - it was a good night. Hope you are better. xx

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Joshua Van-Cook

Sun 28th Mar 2010 10:36

Hi Cynthia, thanks for your comment on The Soldier. I think if you write about something you are passionate about, your message will inevitably be clear as day.

- Josh

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