John
there were indeed 'cruel bastards' (your words) among the miners- a 'cruel' and dangerous and underpaid profession that breeds both resentment to their exploitation and pride in their work. This condition can be found generally among sections of the working-class. But that is a secondary issue- too many people ignore the main issue of pit-closures, pay and conditions- any talk of such is, frankly - a distraction.
As for Scargill '' I wouldn't trust his wisdom on things he knew nothing about (the science of fuel technology).''(your words) The NUM had employed creditable scientific reports on such matters, supported by the scientific community generally.
On the tactics, yes there were things he should have done - giving Welsh miners the chance to discuss and campaign amongst themselves - before putting to a ballot.
Also there was discontent. In the 1982 strike ballot over threatened Welsh pits (the Yorkshire area, which came out first in 1984) voted against. This caused some confusion and bitterness among South Wales miners at the start of the 1984-85 strike. John the working class are not a homoginised group but will need a clear, resourceful and strong leadership.
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I do have some catching up to do. What an impressive profile.
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<Deleted User> (6895)
Sat 12th Jan 2013 16:28
Cheers Lynn for comments on our page.xx
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Tommy,
Thanks for your thoughts on "You've Met The Met".
Arthur Scargill didn't know a lot about the things he should have known about (Leadership, the tactics of a strike, etc). I certainly wouldn't trust his wisdom on things he knew nothing about (the science of fuel technology).
The problem with polarisation is that you necessarily see things depending on your own perspective as sitting between a set of cruel bastards and the horny-handed heroes. I can assure you there were plenty of cruel bastards among the blokes I worked with.
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Thanks Tom, for reading and responding to my poetry. Your interaction is most welcome and greatly appreciated. I will get on to your other poems as well, time permitting. It shall be a busy year! Good stuff unfolding. See you 'round the site or better yet on our poems. Cheers.
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Thank you kindly, Cynthia, for your encouragement and assessment of my poem on cigarette haze. I am grateful to you and much inspired to seek furthering my ventures into poetry. May you have a continued happy new year.
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Oh, but my FB chat is permanently turned off! Must be force of habit. I barely have time enough to sort out posts & statuses, messages, & all that, without having to worry about chitter chatter.Have a pleasant weekend!
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Perhaps I should explain my remarks about Sooty, John. For me, it's all down to the moment at the end of each programme when Harry Corbett addresses the audience, his face covered in gunk, and says, with an expression of world-weary stoicism: "Bye bye, everybody, bye bye." It has come a family catchphrase in our household; a moment when no other words will do. I don't remember much of the rest of it.
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tony sheridan
Fri 11th Jan 2013 20:04
Hi Tom. Thanks for your comment on The Rapids. I have just checked out Gary Snyder on youtube. Many thanks for that. Take care, Tony.
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<Deleted User> (8659)
Fri 11th Jan 2013 19:49
Hi Tom-thanks for your feedback on 'A Tradition Saved', I'm pleased you are enjoying the tales.
Tall tales? Stranger things happen out there at sea!
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<Deleted User> (6895)
Fri 11th Jan 2013 19:08
Many thanks Tom re 'Voyager'
means a lot,coming from thee.xx
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Hi Isobel,
Thanks for the comment on Paxos, much appreciated!
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<Deleted User> (6895)
Fri 11th Jan 2013 18:25
Cheers loads Cath(it happens)
piece of advice-re inadvertant walkies
keep away from lovers leap!xx
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<Deleted User> (8659)
Fri 11th Jan 2013 14:24
Thanks for your feedback on 'A Tradition Saved' John-I have remedied the unforgivably sloppy non use of paragraphs. If Master Miles had seen that he would've nailed me to the mast by me ears!
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Kathy ( Hi :o) )you have now edged out Laura as my favoorite person. I will en-devour to teach, amuse and enlighten you regarding humour.
Call me on my private number anytime except Wednesdays and Saturdays evening as I will be shopping at Tesco's.
Tommy. (Bachelor)
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tony sheridan
Fri 11th Jan 2013 10:03
Hi Christina. Thanks for your comment on First Class Ticket. Glad you like it. Take care, Tony.
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Hello MC
Glad you liked "Gays". I was rather quick off the mark with that one!
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Hello Greg,
Thanks for your comments on "Gays".
You have made your preferences plain!
SOOTY!!! BLOODY SOOTY!!!
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Hello Yvonne,
Thankyou for commenting on "Gays".
There is an old (rather politically incorrect) joke about 2 blokes in a pub. The 1st one says he is emigrating. His mate says "That's a surprise" and asks him "Why?".
"Queers" his friend replies.
"How do you mean?"
"Well" he explains, "500 years ago they were burnt at the stake; 200 years ago they were hanged;100 years ago an man like Oscar Wilde was imprisoned; 50 years ago it could ruin a man's political career; 10 years ago it was still in the closet. I'm off before they make it compulsory".
Myself, I am more liberal but would not welcome compulsion!
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Hello Dave,
Thanks for your thoughts on "Gays".
I have to confess that I don't have strong views either way re the gay community but to try to police a "no sex" rule seems rather laughable. On another front, this may come as a little surprise to you given my rather irreverent and often downright crude writings, but I am actually a verger for Selby Abbey!
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Thanks for your lovely comment. It was actually quite liberating to write something unpoetic LOL - why on Earth have I taken up this poetry hobby, I ask myself...?
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sometimes. In the poem the first expect should be crossed out but still there but couldn't get that to happen in that text box
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Thank you for your kind response, Isobel, on "Gotta Keep On." It was written with a friend in mind, who has been struggling with a debilitating behavioural illness. And all the medics could do is aid them take it a day at a time. I have thus likened it to the anguished vagabond soul of an artist. You are much appreciated.
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otlastark
Wed 9th Jan 2013 21:52
I loved this short poem. Although I couldn't really read trhough it without replacing first "Accept" by "Except". It made more sense to me this way.
Sometimes when I write a poem, I write down one word, but latter I realise I meant a different word with similar sonority and that different word makes perfect sense anf fits forever.. Does it happen to you?
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It's typical of a woman to complain about the generalizing of women.
How Do I count the shoes?
How do I love my shoes? Let me count the ways.
I love their comfort and style and price.
When my foot can slip in easily, when kicking out of sight foolish Insults and remarks.
I love them for their shine and waterproofing,
Quiet in the walking, by sun and LED torch-light.
I love the comfort as men do strive for Comfort.
I love their fashionability, as they bask In praise.
I love them with a passion when put to good use
In my old briefs, and with my manhood's faith And daily needs.
I love them with a love I show to women
With my swanky gait. I love them with the breath I breathe upon their shine,
The smiles of their buying and tears if their life comes to an end. And if I could be bothered, I shall love them even after recycling.
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otlastark
Wed 9th Jan 2013 21:41
somehow reminds me of ee cummmings although more modern, what are your inspirations in litterature?
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Thanks for the comments. Otla, I write in both ways, it depends on the occasion and on the texts themselves.
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Hey Chris, what's your FB addy? Cheers.
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Well ...
Thank you ladies for your... advice and attached embrace.... and I appreciate that Francine's is a French kiss, i meant that tongue in cheek.
The implication, from your comments is I believe, of late I'm feeling a little bruised and as a consequence feeling sorry for myself, and should with immediate effect dust myself off and get on with being a happy Gus.
You may be surprised to know that the short stanza posted above was the 1st of many, 1,242 at the last count. An epic so dark and dire in it's content that I may well have been responsible for tens of thousands of lovers the world wide...
... going down.....coming together and ending it all in a blaze of gory glory midst a silver shimmering shower of moons and stars!!
I couldn't live with that...well not just at the moment anyway!
Yes, you are right ladies ... I will endevour to enable you tingle and sizzle in all the right places in all future postings.
Appropriate embraces and titillations.
And by the way, thank you Tony... good to hear from you too!!
Many thanks to all
lots of love
Gus xxx
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Thanks for you comments on the Last Kiss, John but tell me more about this position you were going to apply?
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otlastark
Tue 8th Jan 2013 17:36
"You looted my Adam's apple,
left me gasping for words"
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otlastark
Tue 8th Jan 2013 17:27
I love your poetry, you say you read widely, I wonder what are those writers you read, could you cite some please?
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otlastark
Tue 8th Jan 2013 17:12
Interesting texts.
Do you write in italian and translate afterwards, or they come in English right away?
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Hello Dave thanks for your comment on Robert Burns.
Hazel
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Hello MC,
Yes, I certainly pulled out the big one with "Mr Gabardine Man"!
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Hello Old Fruity,
Glad you liked my prodigious offering entitled "Mr Gabardine Man". If ever you're outside the Empire in Barnsley...
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<Deleted User> (6895)
Mon 7th Jan 2013 20:55
Hi Yvonne-re 'In an intimate room'-many thanks.
Your inspiration is such a great help!xx
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<Deleted User> (6895)
Mon 7th Jan 2013 20:53
Cheers smiling Steve re 'In an intimate room'
And hey! you keep rocking on in the poetical
way that you are doing-it works for us,and we
dont think it needs repairing,just keep those rhythmic rhyming fingers flashing across that there keyboard! thanks again Mr.H.xx
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and I like the imagery in your owl poem Ann - blanket over a birdcage is just the right image... - this owl flew right over me a few years ago...
WONDER
Could it only be by chance,
The wonder of your white-night dance?
This shadow I can barely trace –
A shooting star with feathered grace.
Mighty owl, in you I see
An echo of eternity.
Andrew Fusek Peters, Mad Bad and Dangerously Haddock, Lion publishing
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thanks Ann, that's very kind - we have hares living up the hill from us - but to see them boxing two winters ago during a dusk walk, was a real gift - now I just have to see the trout swimming and jumping upstream in our village on their spawning journey - that would be a treat!
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<Deleted User> (6895)
Sun 6th Jan 2013 15:32
Thanks re the hoped for approval Yvonne.
Previous last line's were;
'My opinion of you
is that
you are not here
for the fun of it'
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glad to have obliged.xx
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<Deleted User> (6895)
Sun 6th Jan 2013 14:47
Hi Yvonne.
Firstly,let us thank you for responding to our poem 'Lost'by commenting on our profile page.We think think that way is nicer and more personal as we hope this reply is for you.
Secondly,following your advice we have 'smoothed' the ending over of the poem in question as well as adding an image of such a sufferer.
We hope the changes meet with your approval.xx
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Hello MC,
Thankyou for your thoughts on "Sell-By Dates". I've worked in my time in a number of food factories so I have seen the care that goes into keeping food safe. But I can't help suspect that supermarkets enjoy the prospect of us having to chuck stuff so we have to replace it.
How long before there's a "Discard Date" on clothing
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I once went to a Bodyshop cosmetic party at someone's house, where the sales lady assured us that it wasn't hygenic to keep make-up for too long... as though our skin could possible absorb the germs from a bit of eye liner and mascara!
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Hello Dave
Many thanks for your haiku on "Sell-By Dates".
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Hello Yvonne,
Thankyou for your thoughts on "Sell-By Dates".
We've had some happy, embarrassing times when the kids were little as they ran up the supermarket aisle shouting "Plenty on the gypsy counter today, mum".
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Happy New Year Greg and many thanks for your comments on the Man and the Willow. Would you believe me if I said that I actually wrote that poem in a willow tree?
regards,
Graham
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Yvonne, I'll never get over the thrill of writing something for WOL and finding comments waiting for me when I go back to it. Glad you liked 'That Place', best wishes, Steve
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John Coopey
Sat 12th Jan 2013 17:59
Like I said, Tommy, that's the problem with polaristion. Consider this; if the story had ended with the bobby nutting the collier would it have still been "an amusing anecdote"?
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