Thanks for your thoughts on One Anglaland. I've just added a few spark notes to help understanding.

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Hi Andy, thanks for your comment on Skipper. I haven't perfromed it yet as I only wrote it last night :-)

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cheers for the comment over the other side, jeff.. means a lot as always and i look forward to hearing you strum something out for this..

on your winter poem of course, it is only a suggestion but i am going to print this out in a bit - see if the poem could be split between the pair of us on friday!

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hey Isobel.thx for reading and leaving your impressions on dilute to taste..at times i do tend to write with a certain ambiguity, perhaps the coward in me?..anyways look forward to seeing (and hearing) you again xx

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know I,ll get me arse kicked,but being the fun loving youthful rogue that I am I just could not resist this 'oppo'-I thought it may be permissable to use this decades one comment re your new pik...bleedin 'ell!...Nana Mouskouri gone blonde!...I,ll get me coat!(see yer this day-2020)

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Whaddaya mean I 'struggle with the erotic'...bloody cheek!

:-) :-) :-)

Hope you liked it!

Jxxx

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thankyou for taking the time to read and comment on all my work :)

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Slowly, silently, now the moon
Walks the night in her silver shoon;
This way, and that, she peers, and sees
Silver fruit upon silver trees;
One by one the casements catch
Her beams beneath the silvery thatch;
Couched in his kennel, like a log,
With paws of silver sleeps the dog;
From their shadowy cote the white breasts peep
Of doves in a silver-feathered sleep;
A harvest mouse goes scampering by,
With silver claws, and silver eye;
And moveless fish in the water gleam,
By silver reeds in a silver stream

Comment is about Cynthia Buell Thomas (poet profile)

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thankyou for commenting on my poem 'silver'

Comment is about Ann Foxglove (poet profile)

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Hi Lynn . thanks for the comment on Ghazal (your letters) I have had a lot of practice. LOL

Comment is about Lynn Dye (poet profile)

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These ghazals are very addictive aren't they? I'm hooked! And it's lovely to see you spreading your wings! xx

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Glad you like it John. Thought it was time I gave WOL a fully focussed frontal - shimmer and all... x

Comment is about John Aikman (poet profile)

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Hi Dave, thanks for reading Ghazal (your letters). I think technically this is ok, With so many rules however it is easy to end up with something that is 'forced to fit' and has no poetic merit at all. I am hoping my efforts avoid this. Thanks Win X

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Hi again Lynn. hope you find the ghazal info in discussions useful. Could you also please Tag your poem 'Invisible' as Ghazal. Win X

Comment is about Lynn Dye (poet profile)

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Thanks Win, for the info. Can't I invent a new sort of ghazal with rhymes at the end of each line? ;-) (But these rules and regulations are enough to give you - vertigo!) Great fun though! xx

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Hi Winston, thank you for sending me the link on ghazals, I shall have to give them another try! Cheers, Lynn x

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Hi John,
thanks for your kind comment,
very much appreciated :)
peace!
Rachael x

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Hi John, thanks for your recent comments on Ghazal (your letters), I hope I am getting somewhere as I have been researching these things for nearly 3 years now on and off, Maybe its time I tried a triolet. Win X

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Fab new photo!

:-)

Jx

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hi Isobel :)
thankyou for your kind comments,
the vastness of Space is scary, prefer cosey spaces anytime, im a taurean so like my feet rooted to the Earth.
x

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I've just posted my first triolet. It's a fun form too....and a little more forgiving than Ghazals, but the rhyme scheme is a little bugger to get right.

Thanks for your fabulous help on the ghazal stuff too.

:-)

jx

Comment is about Winston Plowes (poet profile)

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thanks Cynthia, for such positive feedback and comments,
always very much appreciated
peace to you! x

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Hi Andy :)thanks for the very kind comments, they are much appreciated.best to you!Rachael x

Comment is about Andy N (poet profile)

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Hi Isobel, Yes, have a go at a ghazal. Great. Actually for once I am not laying down a challenge. It has taken me months to getting round to posting up some information on how to write ghazals. Mainly because there is no simple answer via a template as in other forms. But people keep asking so I have finally done it. lol. Nice to think though that my posting of a few ghazals has sparked something. Win X

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Hi Ann

As for criteria 4) Rhyme.

The Qafia DIRECTLY preceeds the Radif on the second line of each Sher and not at the end of the first line as in your ghazal, ghazal - Fibonacci swirl.

If you look at Agha Shahid Ali's book I think all but one of his ghazals show this.

Also Re Criteria 1)Title.

This presents us with a problem. How do we talk about and refer to each others work when they are all just called 'Ghazal'. Well, the standard method is to refer to Ghazal (Radif), so my example above would be my Ghazal (the day). And your last offering could be Ghazal (Fibonacci swirl)

Win X

Comment is about Ann Foxglove (poet profile)

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Hi John,

An answer re Criteria 6)

The ghazal is suposed to be spoken (or sung)personaly and from the heart, hence the inclusion of the signature or takkhalus.

Traditionally most poets have used either their real name or equally common a pen name as in the cleaver maqta of Ann -

In burning brackengold the fox lies sleeping
My man is dead, all men are as snow for me.

So you can choose what you like and remain anonymous if you wish and as euphonious as you wish.

Other ideas - Poets, more recently have used the meaning of their name. Or as you say made a reference using 'I' or 'me' however since ghazals are often writen in the first person this is somewhat weak. I have used other alternatives, e.g.

Barefoot steps linger
in the wet sand, soft.

where the footsteps suggest a signature. Overall however the name or pen name is prefered.

As to Troilets, I think this reply is sanitorial enough.

Win x

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thanks for the comment Cynthia

Mormon was more of a response to the anti-gay sentiment expressed by the mormon church. They actively raised funds to vote yes on Prop 8 in Cali and wouldn't allow blacks to join their congregation this the late 70s. I hear from Wikileaks that they also funded christian terrorists in Iran. Sounds pretty violent to me.

In the nativity piece, Joseph slurs his words because he is drunk. He has always struck me as a very forgotten character. He didn't impregnate Mary and Jesus told him he wasn't his father. I think that would be enough to turn any man to drink.

Comment is about Cynthia Buell Thomas (poet profile)

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I love your new profile photo, Isobel!
You look so happy, vibrant, AND totally approachable!

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Hi Win - just posted another ghazal - didn't come as naturally or mean as much as the first one, but I did try and rhyme! xx

Comment is about Winston Plowes (poet profile)

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Thanks for your comment on
'Dilute to Taste.' I have also enjoyed a time reading your work..wonderful writing Marianne..

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Ha, I saw it. I will be late to the Puzzle tonight as I am going to a cuts meeting. Jackie has postponed till friendlier weather so lots of Open Mic

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Just enjoyed your verses, Larisa.

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There is a new discussion topic on ghazals which may interest you, I remember you asking for a template ages ago, well it's finally here! :-) Win

http://www.writeoutloud.net/public/newsgroupview.php?NewsGroupsID=3&NewsThreadsID=1127#msgcontent_11384

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Good luck with more ghazals, Ann: it'll be hard work topping the last one! Not sure I'll have time for any in the next few weeks. Got to sort out my aged mum's next, maybe final port of call along the staging posts of life.

Comment is about Ann Foxglove (poet profile)

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Thx for the feedback on the England poem Jeff- appreciated.

Chris

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There is a new discussion topic on ghazals which may interest you :-) Win

http://www.writeoutloud.net/public/newsgroupview.php?NewsGroupsID=3&NewsThreadsID=1127#msgcontent_11384

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There is a new discussion topic on ghazals which may interest you, I remember you asking for a template ages ago, well it's finally here! :-) Win

http://www.writeoutloud.net/public/newsgroupview.php?NewsGroupsID=3&NewsThreadsID=1127#msgcontent_11384

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There is a new discussion topic on ghazals which may interest you :-) Win

http://www.writeoutloud.net/public/newsgroupview.php?NewsGroupsID=3&NewsThreadsID=1127#msgcontent_11384

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There is a new discussion topic on ghazals which may interest you :-) Win

http://www.writeoutloud.net/public/newsgroupview.php?NewsGroupsID=3&NewsThreadsID=1127#msgcontent_11384

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There is a new discussion topic on ghazals which may interest you :-) Win

http://www.writeoutloud.net/public/newsgroupview.php?NewsGroupsID=3&NewsThreadsID=1127#msgcontent_11384

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There is a new discussion topic on ghazals which may interest you :-) Win

http://www.writeoutloud.net/public/newsgroupview.php?NewsGroupsID=3&NewsThreadsID=1127#msgcontent_11384

Comment is about Dave Bradley (poet profile)

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Thanks for your thoughts on One Anglaland. A few specialist references, but my favourite is "blood-eagling" - an old Viking party game.

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I am glad you have seen it John, me too, What a brilliant thing / place. Win x

Comment is about John Aikman (poet profile)

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I've seen that fountain!

:-)

Jx

Comment is about Winston Plowes (poet profile)

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S'me again! I've written another ghazal, more light hearted this time, but I didn't rhyme it. Toooo hard! Maybe next time. Won't post til tomorrow prob - but you know me- it might appear at any time!! xx

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Hiya Jeff,
thank you kindly for your lovely comments on my poems :) much appreciated, will have to try and get to one of your guitar and verse nights, bring my acoustic guitar, and my poems and my voice

Rach x

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Hi Win - hope you have thawed out by now! Lovely and sunny here! I did tag my poem a ghazal, but later it seemed to "untag" itself. I think maybe it happens if you edit a poem? Cos I'd added the extra two words. I think other's may have the same prob - yesterday there were more ghazals listed than there are today. It is a mystery!! xx

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now I,ve sobered up from too many squirrels and badgers,I can see your photo much clearer-its absolutely....tell you when I ,ve had a drink!(but not of squirrel or badger! tee hee)

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hi Greg-glad me and old navvy gave you a laugh.thanks re comments.

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Hi Ann, thanks. Will your next one have rhyme too. This last one had all 7 other criteria present. Isn't it strange how easy it is to miscount the syllables, you would think that this would be really easy! I have more to come too. Win x

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