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Nothing Left

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The unions are dead,
carcasses of a once great
movement - now mute.

Great bones of industry fractured,
the post war dream was
butchered.  Left hanging
by the lady not for turning.

Time - time turned iron to rust
the common man’s
dreams like coal to dust.

Things can only get better!
So ‘New labour’ said.

But her bruise remains,

and all their blood has bled to blue
and in a land of thieves and liars
who’s left - to represent you?

Lady - turning I see a teacher,
she has a way with words,
but her mouth is not for speaking -

for the unions are dead.

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Chris Co

Thu 18th Apr 2013 09:06

Thx Cynthia and M.C - for reading and feedback.

Hi Cynthia, yes I very much understand. I like much religious poetry, despite being an atheist. I enjoy the language, humanity, passion, technique of Rossetti, Longfellow, R.S Thomas etc.

I fully take on board that the political content of my poem, or indeed any political poem, is not for everybody. The fact that you have appreciated the poem and the poetics, aside or discounting any political agreement is - much appreciated.

Whenever we work hard (any of us rather than the royal we) to achieve anything poetically; whenever someone says such efforts paid off, that's a great feeling. I'll happily take that over and above any political agreement. Thx

As I mentioned prior, I wrote this poem prior to Lady Thatcher's death. The poem was written in response to the legacy of her time in office. In particular the poem was written to the backdrop of exasperation. Exasperation at teachers having so little or - no say in the curriculum and teaching methods in schools.

I felt the unions needed urgent reform when Thatcher came to power, reform, not the breaking of. Equally not all unions and sectors of society needed the same weight of reform. Michael Gove, the policies, teachers lacking a voice; all seem to echo her time in office, none of it would have been possible before her time.

I'd prefer a generation taught how to think for themselves; given the tools to be able to do that. Not a generation of rote learning savants who come to know much and understand little. I also worry about our history and understanding becoming more provincial.

I would guess both may concern you, knowing as I do your connections to teaching as well your cosmopolitan background/heritage.

M.C

There is simply no way you would try to convince me or anyone else as you have without truly held beliefs; this is understood. I recognise elements of truth here and there in the points you make too, particularly in relation in certain union failings in the 70 and the need for market reforms. But what we would view as answers are quite different.

I cannot agree with the speed of reforms under Thatcher, or the scope of much of the reforms. The lack of managed transition in the economy too, in light of north sea oil and other such fundings, I feel this was myopic and politically disastrous. Socially I regard her handling of the country generally, also to be disastrous. You do not, your focus differs and that is understandable.

I honestly doubt we will agree with much politically. What is obvious is that you do believe in your political convictions and have integrity in that regard. Politically we just have to agree to differ - which is not so bad. This discourse has been interesting and carries its own value.


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M.C. Newberry

Tue 16th Apr 2013 15:42

Chris - your response was appreciated. My main quibble is that if Thatcher was so reviled by so many as it generally put about by "the other side", just where did her mandate to gain a third term of office come from? As for her "friends", where is the mention of her dealings with De Klerk that preceded the subsequent transition of power in South Africa? And what about the massive importance of her contacts with Gorbachev that saw the historic decline of communism and the ensuing meaning of freedom for many across the expanding world?It's easy enough to dwell on the perceived failings of selective choices (even if, in the wider political sense, these probably amounted to very little of actual importance in effect).
It's clear there was anger at the apparently endless demands of unions of whatever origin, with their avowedly HARD LEFT of centre leadership which clearly had little care for what the rest of the country wanted - or thought about their behaviour. They led their members to confrontation and their members allowed it. This country has NEVER been of a hard left persuasion and that ideology got ideas above its station with its attitudes and demands. In short, parts of the UK under a hardwired ideology at odds with the majority population took up a cause with all its risks - and lost. To cry foul for what happened afterwards seems a bit lame so many years on...with a decade of Labour government in place since. Where are the millions from the many Labour millionaires that could help kickstart deprived areas that always vote Labour. The numerous luvvies of the vastly rich entertainment world rarely turn down a chance to flaunt their Labour credentials - so where are THEY when it comes to alleviating the hardship of the "comrades" and their "communities"?
It is reported that famous Liverpudlian Sir Paul MacCartney is worth over £600 million. Not a bad fund of dosh to help the city and its less well off! Our Victorian forebears were quick to commit to social causes like the famous "Peabody Estates". Where are today's equivalent benefactors to the "working class"?Notable by their absence, it seems!

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Cynthia Buell Thomas

Tue 16th Apr 2013 10:55

This is very well written, with clever twists of words and meaning. I compliment the poem itself, not necessarily the expressed opinions.

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Chris Co

Mon 15th Apr 2013 14:48

Thx Laura, Glad the poem worked for you. Thx for the feedback - your words are very much appreciated.

Her bruise remains....it really does doesn't it. I also felt a need to slap New Labour in the poem to. I couldn't help but feel that they sold the party out. 'Things can only get better' was their slogan and the line from the d'ream song Blair used in winning the 97 election. If Blair didn't continue with Thatcherism (she was the 1st person he invited to dinner at number 10 once elected) maybe things wouldn't have been so bad? Maybe things wouldn't have been so easy for this extreme right wing party we currently put up with. I wonder how much the death of John Smith has cost this country. If he had lived maybe labour would have continued to be labour and some of her excesses and those we face now would not be so.


Your poem is very powerful and very well written. I understand given circumstances why our responses, somewhat differ. In your shoes I think my response would be the same and I support your take on matters with this in mind.... I think our political beliefs are very similar.

My Best

Chris

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Laura Taylor

Mon 15th Apr 2013 10:18

Fantastic poem yet again mate

You have a real knack for writing poetic political poetry - so many cracking lines in this.

This is excellent:

But her bruise remains,

and all their blood has bled to blue
and in a land of thieves and liars

Thanks for your note on Dear Margaret. Wrote itself really - been bubbling away in me for years those feelings.

Wish I'd been at the Tudor last week to hear this and the others. Ironically, total skintness prevented me :)

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Chris Co

Fri 12th Apr 2013 18:20

Thx for reading and feedback guys - v much appreciated.

I guess the vitriol isn't there becuase I wrote this last summer, as much in sadness as despondancy at the legacy of Thatcherism. I couldn't really be bothered with her as a person. I found the personal far less relevant and just not the focus of my concern, which was those that suffered as a result of her political actions and influence - which continues to this day.

I personally choose not to speak ill of the dead - in terms of personal comments. Just not my thing. I prefer to speak of the policies or the effects of them and keep it less about personality or of the person. That said I do recognise the rights of others to take a less charitable view. Some people ink an eye for an eye with her and I do have some sympathy for that view, especially from those worst affected by her time in government.

A the time of writing this poem I was (still am) worried about the next generation and how children may or may not be taught... teachers having little 'say' in matters. Whilst I know that the current situation is not that of Thatcher's making, but rather that of Michael Gove and the Condems, Thatcher's influence and Thatcherism exists in the changes she made to the unions.

It seems when people hear unions, they immediately conjure up images of the clash the miners in 84. While thatnis part ofnthe history and it's own case of rights and wrongs, it isn't everything. Thatcher broke the unions across the board and that is what - to this day - allows for many questionable policies.

Teachers need to have a say in the curriculum, need to be able to teach children as they have qualified to do. Thatcher took their voice away, Gove applies his policy and the children reap the benefit if it goes ahead (sick joke I know).

Thinking on all this caused me to reflect on the ghosts of other industries, hope and dreams..something I barely touched upon. Glad that came through somehow Ged.

M.C First of all I like the verse you have written, even if I differ in my politics - well written and interesting, Obviously - we're never going to agree politically - that simply isn't possible because Thatcher was the most divisive leader in this countries history and I despise the policies she inflicted upon this country. The unions had their faults, they needed reform too and yes this country did need to regain its competative edge and spirit. But the speed and scale of the reforms were not justified. They condemed entire sections of society to the rubbish pile. Socially her policies caused appaling suffering to great swathes of the country. Her policies threw many out of mental health institutions onto the street. And pushed people into unemployment in their millions via a self generated recession. She willfully president over the deliberate sabotage of various industries in order to break the unions - that is what saw many out of work and many communities destroyed.

Changes could have been made in a fare more humane way. Industries in decline could have been put into a managed delcine. The fact is they weren't they were in no uncertain terms sabotaged for political purposes to move more quickly to a freer market.

We also have the fact that Thatcher sold off the family silver very cheaply via privatisation. And started the home buying scheme which raised capital and helped to limit social housing stock that we lack to this day. All this is before we even consider her reputation as a defender of democracy whilst simultaneously being a personal and political friend and supporter of Augusto Pinochet - a vile leader of a military junta. The man who over-through the democratically elected leader of Chile and causing him (Allende) to commit suicide. Pinochet went on to barbarously murder and suppress an entire country. In fact it was Thatcher who helped prevent Pinochet's extradition to Spain on human rights charges. Thatcher said that Pinochet was a defender of democracy - that is utterly sickening. Would she have said that to a parent of one of the disappeared, still looking in the shadows 30 years later for a child that one day never came home? I wonder did she contemplate such things at the dinners she shared with Pinochet? Did she consider the dead when she accepted his chocolates and flowers each year? Thatcher also supported Pol Pot’s Khmer Rouge at one point and was against the Vietnamese invasion that removed the genocidal leader from power. Of course then we have Hillsborough and her governments deliberate cover-up. I have read Sir Bernard Ingham's letter on her behalf to a Liverpool fan. It tells you all you need to know of her thoughts on football fans. It tells you that she knew about the cover-up from the start. Her attempted scheme of identity cards for football fans again tells you what she thought of football fans. We could go on to talk of her considering the abandonment of the city of Liverpool altogether - something Heseltine thankfully persuaded her away from with his considerable powers of oratory and one nation conservative approach.

So forgive me if I have to disagree with any pro Thatcher stance. I do so in a non dogmatic way accepting that appropriate union, market place and industry reforms were required. Just not as she went about it.

Hey Ian - nice to hear you read last night and say hello. I really enjoyed your poerty and also you poem on this subject.

Ged - ripples of detriment is a great image - you own it now. Definitely one to put to use. Glad the sinister/haunted nature of this came through. It really helps to know that worked somehow.

Thx for reading my waffle.

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Ian Whiteley

Thu 11th Apr 2013 23:34

Chris
great poem - read from the heart at Wigan WOL tonight - good stuff mate
Ian

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M.C. Newberry

Thu 11th Apr 2013 16:51

It was self-destruct for the union movement -
call it hubris - and a huge price was paid.
The unions still have a place
To put a point of view
But not dictate how others must live
And what they say and do.

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Ged Thompson

Wed 10th Apr 2013 15:25

I like this, it puts your point across verry well and eloquently, the audio clip is sinister and haunting. Youve side stepped the easy option of insulting her as a person and therefore insulting the dead, but rather concentrated on the ripples of detriment left by her time in power.

Hang on...'Ripples of detriment'...could work for a poem!, thankyou Chris (-: Ill use that somewhere

I Digress....

Its really good, well done mate, Love your stuff

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