Lynn Dye

Dangers of Brexit

by Lynn Dye

Saturday 18th June 2016 8:05 am

We already have control of our borders

But if the vote Brexit wins

how much control do you suppose

we will have on that one in Calais

when French authorities send them all

through the tunnel or across the Channel?

Why would they wish to cooperate

with a country leaving the EU?

Why would they want a camp

of desperate people on their border?

And while we’re about it

how about some facts?

We keep hearing that we pay

around £350 million every week to the EU.

What we are not usually told

is that after the rebates and money taken

by the private and public sectors

as a result of our membership,

the actual cost is £161 million a week.

However, this is not the full story.

The Centre for Research and Analysis of Migration

tells us that public revenues raised

from those much maligned EU immigrants

is more than £281 million per week.

Let’s add this new figure

to the total cost of EU membership

and see what we get:

A profit of £120 million per week.

That’s nearly £6.25 billion every year!

And that’s only revenues coming to the UK Treasury.

We haven’t even considered the profits

being made by private businesses trading within the EU.

We have a large (and growing) pensioner population

whose livelihoods are dependent

on contributions to the economy

by a dwindling number of younger citizens

who simply cannot provide enough.

Therefore we need a certain influx

of economically-active people from abroad.

Claims that they are benefit tourists

have been proved to have no foundation.

They bring more than £14 billion

into the UK economy every year.

Why would we wish to throw all this away?

Could the right wing answer be

that they are privatising the NHS

and abolishing our welfare system

that our forefathers fought so strong and hard for?

Out of greed and profit for the elite

at the expense of the mass population.

Not that Cameron ever wanted a referendum

it was a rash promise to get elected

and staunch the UKIP vote

he never expected a majority

the best he hoped for was another coalition

so he could blame not holding a referendum

on those dratted Lib Dems!

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Comments

Lynn Dye

Mon 20th Jun 2016 21:14

Likewise MC, we don’t always agree on everything but there is some common ground here and there!

I accept that our government is supposed to represent US – but they don’t, the Tories only represent the wealthy. As for voting them out, it’s not that easy, and I am more concerned with how much damage they can continue doing in the next four years. Not that they haven’t done enough while in the EU!

Actually, I can agree with Jeremy Corbyn when he gives staying in the EU a 7 or 7 and a half.

Anyway, as usual we can agree to disagree, and there’s only a few more day until the result is out. Thank you for the compliment, I must have slipped up there on my age, ha ha.

M.C. Newberry

Sun 19th Jun 2016 20:02

Lynn - I enjoy our discussions. I certainly accept that
politicians here at home are no angels; nor have they ever been. We have that much in common. But they
represent US and can be thrown out of office at each election without organised foreign interference or effect.
I do not believe "blame" is Tory-orientated...far from it,
with the recent memory of certain Labour and Liberal
MPs and their various activities in pursuit of power.
Where we part is the belief that somehow we're better
off being run by a corrupt non-accountable entity, in which we are one voice among nearly 30 others,
many of which have dictatorial or communist histories
with failed economies and outstretched hands towards
"big business" (the very origins you seem to suspect for
causing many financial woes affecting for the vulnerable)
but which is supportive of/ "in bed" with the EU.
Much is made of a "reformed" EU but that is a deceit
of monumental proportions and if it has been capable
of the recognised guile that has changed it from trade
to political treachery then there is no reason to
doubt that behaviour will continue if we allow ourselves
to remain within its grip. Britons will certainly become
slaves then! As for the origins of the Common Market:
you don't look old enough to have been of voting age
over forty years ago.

Lynn Dye

Sun 19th Jun 2016 11:42

Thanks Rose, I intend to! ;-)

Lynn x

Lynn Dye

Sun 19th Jun 2016 11:32

MC, I am also old enough to remember the Common Market. I agree that it gradually progressed into the EU without the British population having any say. I also agree it isn’t perfect, but we will only be able to change anything from the inside, and not from the outside looking in. We would still need to negotiate with the EU, but would enjoy none of its benefits.

Claims that the EU is undemocratic arise because the European Commission, which is unelected, proposes EU legislation. Thing is, the Commission’s members are representatives of EU member states, nominated by each state to represent them. They propose new laws to benefit all EU states and have no power to impose those laws. Their proposals may then be discussed by our democratically-elected representatives including the Council of Ministers and the European Parliament. Our democratically-elected representatives can send proposed laws back to be re-considered, and they can veto any proposals that they believe are totally unsuitable.

How democratic is our House of Lords?

How democratic is our voting system where one party has a majority with only 24% vote of the electorate?

What kind of democracy do we have when this same party changes boundaries which will unfairly balance future general elections in their favour?

How democratic is it when this same party make large numbers of Conservatives Lords in the new year’s honours, some for doing nothing better than funding the party?

At least they are being investigated for election fraud of overspending nationally in 20 constituencies, although there are 26 which have been reported. We will only have democracy on this fraud if all those constituencies come up for re-election.

But what about the new laws that have come into being due to this fraudulent government?

I find your comment interesting that in an age when the robotic workplace is increasingly the
norm, a decline in human work activity is to be expected. I totally agree with that. However, the Tories are using this unemployment as a stick to beat the unemployed with. Jobseekers are being sanctioned and left with no money on whims by Job centre staff. It is government policy to punish people who are deemed to not be actively finding work, but as there are quotas for these sanctions, the staff have to be inventive on why there have been over a million sanctions. Some people, particularly the sick and disabled who have wrongly been found fit for work, are then sanctioned for 3 years.

In other words, this government is partly responsible for many deaths. The DWP have even admitted it by claiming they are not solely responsible.

So when you say “But for whose benefit? Not ours.”, I would counterbalance that the current UK government does not have OUR (the mass population’s) interests at heart, whatsoever. They are abusing their power and our trust.

Immigration won’t change. The government welcome immigration whatever else they may say. If they were worried about it they would have been doing something to stop immigration from non-EU countries. Have they done so? No, they have not. This question was brought up by Sir David Dimbleby in Question Time. Consequently, I find the politicians arguing for Brexit are being deceitful. This is something I definitely agree with Sir John Major on.

Also regarding numbers the Office of National Statistics tell us there are more people leaving the UK than there are entering it.

M.C. Newberry

Sat 18th Jun 2016 18:26

I am more concerned about the locked-in danger of
voting to remain.
I am old enough to recall the original "Common Market"
and to have witnessed with increasing disgust (and distrust!) the stealthily accrued power by deceit
and dissembling, that saw UK politicians jump aboard
the politically designed vehicle that drove through
successive treaties to its pre-determined but disguised destination at the present EU edifice.
At no time did its enthusiasts declare the intent
of this one-way trip...knowing it would never be
accepted by the British people. As if that wasn't
enough abuse of trust -
here is a line from a certain Jean Claude Juncker -
EU president: "Prime ministers must stop listening so
much to their voters and instead become full time Europeans."
The dismissive arrogance is evident - repugnant to all
who value the freedom of the democratic process that our forefathers fought and died for.
The fact of older people is hardly to be feared when
they are often ready to keep working and are even
required to do so in these modern times. And in an
age when the robotic workplace is increasingly the
norm, a decline in human work activity is to be
expected. Indeed, the idea of a leisure-rich pension
age has been put forward as a "plus" in today's
conditions. But is undisputed uncontrolled
immigration from the unreformed EU, contrasted with
control over those from elsewhere, justification for
stating we "control" our borders? That defies logic.
The stakes on Thursday 23rd June 2016 are about
very much more than mere money. It is about who
we can elect to tell us what to do, how to live and whether we have any prospect of redress/change. The EU has a regard for our huge financial input
but no particular love of the UK, and IT (not us)
decides what, if any, rebate is received for our home benefit.
If past conduct is any guide, there is no alternative
but to say goodbyeee to an unreformable
power-obsessed entity that pays lip service to calls
for change whilst increasingly intent on running things
on its own terms. But for whose benefit? Not ours.

<Deleted User> (9882)

Sat 18th Jun 2016 12:51

too bloody right Lynn! and regarding our forefathers,they probably never stop rolling in their graves,the way that this country going.

All their sacrifices and sufferings seem to be meaning bugger all.But hey! they will never be forgotten.

Keep those home fires burning Lynn.

Rose.x

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