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Don't Pay The Poets

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Don’t Pay The Poets

 

Don’t pay the poets.

There is no value in words,

we all use them

to some degree

and poets just turn them

into clever rhymes,

meter and verse.

 

Don’t pay the poets.

For there are no tunes

to back their silly ramblings

and they make us feel

uncomfortable

with their ‘expressions’

and ‘feelings’.

 

Don’t pay the poets.

Because we’ll

have no money left

for covers bands,

comedians and DJ’s

recycling other peoples

greatest bits.

 

Don’t pay the poets.

They suffer for their art -

so make the buggers suffer,

make them starve,

make them hurt,

make them spin their hurts

into gold.

 

Don’t pay the poets

or they’ll think they have value,

they’ll think they have worth.

Let them cry into their absinthe,

let them skulk in corners,

let them carry their bags

of paper passions.

 

Don’t pay the poets.

They do it for free -

nymphomaniacs

rather than prostitutes.

Pay them only with your applause -

never your money,

never your time or effort.

 

Don’t pay the poets

or they will become sentient -

they will rise

and rebel

and use their words

to bludgeon us

to our knees

 

and then the wars will end,

the bigotry will cease,

the poor will become rich,

the world will turn

on an axis of flowers.

Don’t pay the poets

for they know not what they do…

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Ian Whiteley

Sun 18th Oct 2015 19:43

Thanks to everyone for their kind and supportive comments - I've replied to all the points (I hope) direct to you all - but, in summary, my main thrust is
PAY THE BLOODY POETS :-)
cheers
Ian

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M.C. Newberry

Tue 13th Oct 2015 14:23

I think the comments from Laura Taylor give a first
rate first hand insight into this subject.
In other performance arts, agents and promoters
actively work towards getting an audience for
performers. The latter, when successful, will have
their names/reputations to encourage audiences to
come and boost the confidence of the agents and promoters to put on the "acts". Any performance is
just that and we are asked: "Is not a workman
worthy of his hire?" I have no first-hand knowledge
but assume that in the poetry performance world
there are popular gigs where the "paid" approach is expected and completed to common consent.
Poets "on the up" might expect to contribute to
their public progress before being considered to be
audience-pullers and financially viable for inclusion
- and payment...just as there are those who self-
publish prior to moving towards paid publication.


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raypool

Tue 13th Oct 2015 11:03

Without being too partisan it was very illuminating reading all the comments on this tricky subject. Very emotive obviously , but I will carp back on to my own experiences of being taken completely for granted as a musician (there is a difference between a pro band player and "a performer". The band world is more like being a cog in a wheel as opposed to being "out front."
The sort of bands I was in were booked mostly on corporate events where an agent would take a massive cut on top , the bandleader again a large slice and the rest of the money shared out. A living, shall we say.
My ignorance of the poetry scene is my weakness , so rather than slam for or against any arguments, I simply try to observe the ebb and flow of what happens in the world. There are many amateurs in the music game now, having taken the lion's share due to working cheap.
Am I bitter? not really, as I am now retired and try to face up to reality. I read at open mike nights and have found a great freedom in this. So please forgive my selfishness in not siding either way.

<Deleted User> (8659)

Tue 13th Oct 2015 09:20

I was once criticised by the organiser of an event (who'd asked me if I would 'Come and give us some of your poetry, I keep getting people asking me to put you on') because I asked about the money. He told me I shouldn't even think about doing it for money, poetry should be free.
So I told him that I would certainly do it for free-but only alonside other unpaid performers, at an event where the organiser charged no admission, for an audience comprised of those who also worked for free, in a venue which was built for free and powered by energy which was freely given by the utility companies.
The response; 'That's just being unrealistic' !

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John Darwin

Mon 12th Oct 2015 18:56

Although talking of value in a broader sense this did remind me of Wendy Cope's 'Engineers' Corner'


https://tuitalk.wordpress.com/2010/11/29/tuesday-poem-engineers-corner-by-wendy-cope/

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John Darwin

Mon 12th Oct 2015 18:48

Good piece Ian. Could be edited down a bit but then again my attention span is incredibly short :-) There is money in performance, more so than in the published word. I know several people who make a meagre living from it, usually supplemented by other related work such as running workshops in schools, prisons etc.. These may be Arts Council funded and we all know the financial squeeze in that area. I don't think anybody expects to be paid for an open mic spot, that would be ridiculous, but where an event is making money of course the performers should be paid. After all, there wouldn't be an event without the poets.

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Cynthia Buell Thomas

Mon 12th Oct 2015 17:32

No.

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raypool

Mon 12th Oct 2015 16:28

Plenty of reaction on this, Ian and rightly so. As a pro musician for forty years I can only talk for that but have found that "he who pays the piper calls the tune". Jazz never pays and that's largely where the inventiveness lies. As for poetry unless you want to write for the greetings card world perhaps we should be happy with our freedoms and unrestraint. Is that not fulfilment enough?

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Laura Taylor

Mon 12th Oct 2015 15:33

Graham - you do if you ask for it and are worth it, ime, but if you don't ask, most of the time it won't be offered upfront. I always ask these days - you have to have a thick skin but I reckon I've served enough time, and my act is good enough, to do so. I wouldn't have dreamed of asking in the early days, was just happy to get the gigs.

Like the saying goes, you wouldn't ask a plumber to fix stuff for free, so why expect to be entertained for nowt? We put in countless hours in the creation, the learning, and the performance of our poems, not to mention travel costs. I don't think it's unreasonable to ask for some payment for crafting a memorable performance. I've moved people to tears, to laughter, to deep sadness, and invoked personal and poignant memories for loads of folk.

No - I never started all this to make money. Didn't even occur to me. But you reach a critical mass of gigs and there comes a point where you can end up paying to perform, which is not a great place to be in, especially given so many of us are skint to begin with.

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John Coopey

Mon 12th Oct 2015 12:54

I think this is the difference between worth and price. Poetry may be worthy but it's price is determined by how much someone is prepared to pay for it.

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Graham Sherwood

Mon 12th Oct 2015 12:34

This is an interesting piece Ian and I will undoubtedly show my igonrance of the performance poetry scene when I say I didn't realize that PP's got paid anyway. I thought one had to have something to sell (pamphlet/book etc) as an inducement.

I worked in a salaried job for 33 years and then took early retirement and started working for myself. A good friend then said to me "now you'll know what you're really worth".

I guess none of us poets really set our stall out to make any money in the first place.

.........let them carry their bags

of paper passions.........

These are my favourite words.

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Laura Taylor

Mon 12th Oct 2015 10:43

Aye - tell me about it!!

There's this weird division of perception regarding poets, I've found. On the one hand, everyone thinks 'wooo, POETRY, how special, how moving, how high culture darlings', and then you turn up and find you've been shoved into the arse-end-of-nowhere-venue, no mic because why would poets possibly need amplification ffs, and sorry - what? Payment? For poetry? But ANYONE could do that! It's only an hour each way to get here too - what do you mean, expenses? For poetry?!

Cracking piece Ian - my favourite verse is the third one. Bang on!!!

<Deleted User> (8659)

Mon 12th Oct 2015 09:51

As Robert Graves once said-There is no money in poetry. But then, there is no poetry in money either.

Which is all very well Robert-but you didn't know what it was to be continually asked to perform your work for free when everybody else involved with the gig was getting paid. (I shall shut up at this point or I'll go on for hours!)

Good poem Ian.

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Anna Ghislena

Mon 12th Oct 2015 09:46

Loved this fast paced read Ian. A good way to start my day. Now I'm fired up! ;)

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John Coopey

Mon 12th Oct 2015 07:49

Sound advice, Ian.

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