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The Judgement of History

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Strange how time shapes the views we hold of events and, for the purposes of this piece, of people.

Consider the war criminal who had 180 Neapolitan POWs executed and whose funeral was shunned by most of his Admiralty peers.  His statue stands proudly in Trafalgar Square.

Or Richard the Lionheart, revered as the quintessentially “good” English king, but who bled his Exchequer dry prosecuting the Crusades to the neglect of home affairs, having spent less than one  of his ten year reign in England; and, of course, being French he couldn’t speak a word of English.

Conversely, the king who defeated the Vikings at Edington, halting their southwards and westwards conquest, who built a system of defensive burghs and an English navy to rival theirs, levied taxes to promote Christian learning and founded a system of fair laws.  Populist history simply recalls him as having burned some cakes.

The phenomenon is not confined to these shores.  The sanctified champion of racial equality in nineteenth century America is not remembered for having said, “I am not, nor ever have been, in favour of…the social and political equality of the white and black races…nor…of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people.”

So looking forward, what will be the judgement on that most divisive of our contemporaries, Margaret Thatcher?  Forceful democratic leader who dragged Britain up from being the “sick man of Europe” and radical reformer of lame duck economies? Or destroyer of a better, socialised Britain, of industries and communities deserving of support?

History, my friend, and not you will decide.

 

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John Coopey

Thu 1st May 2014 09:17

Wow, Greg! That is worth thinking about. "Can history be wrong"?
Does history itself have the quality to be right or wrong? Or is it like Time and Jam?

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John Coopey

Wed 30th Apr 2014 20:39

Yes indeed. Isobel. The winners get to write history, as they say. What they don't say is "... until the revisionists get hold of it".
Sartre, you say? I couldn't make arse nor shit of him.
Likewise Proudhon, "Property is Theft". I could understand that property was theft but why wasn't theft theft?

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Isobel

Wed 30th Apr 2014 19:55

Fascinating John - it reminds me of a Sartre book I read as a student - how you go down in history depending on the flip of a coin - in war, whether you win, whether you lose.

I suppose it also has a lot to do with who writes the history books... I guess every leader has their strong and weak points - it just depends on which side is bigged up.

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John Coopey

Wed 30th Apr 2014 19:52

Excellent points, each.
My own view is that Lincoln's elevation to sainthood has been a little fortunate. He has ridden well posthumously the need for another hero of nineteenth century American liberalism. There is a famous quote which, paraphrased, goes. "If I could save the Union by freeing slaves I would do it. If I could save the Union by not freeing slaves I would do it".

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M.C. Newberry

Wed 30th Apr 2014 12:58

I'll say this - whenever there is a post from either J.C. or Harry O, you can be sure to be informed and entertained.
Bottoms up!

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Greg Freeman

Wed 30th Apr 2014 09:31

Mike, I don't think you should regard John - who is a former miner, I believe - as a natural Tory. He has a keen interest in history - the first thing I spotted about him on this site, a few years ago now - and, as this piece shows, is just posing the question. My view is emphatically the second of the two verdicts. But maybe history will opt for a mixture of the two. History can be wrong, of course!

<Deleted User> (4172)

Wed 30th Apr 2014 07:25

Old Tory's enjoying the thought of men's bottoms being spanked - now there's a surprise!!

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John Coopey

Wed 30th Apr 2014 00:06

Call it a personal predilection if you will but I particularly enjoy the image of her spanking Tory grandees.

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John Coopey

Wed 30th Apr 2014 00:02

Considered and insightful, Harry.

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Harry O'Neill

Tue 29th Apr 2014 23:08


Margaret Thatcher had some amazing pieces of luck.

When her own penny-pinching decision to withdraw the guard-ship Endurance from the South Atlantic tempted the troubled Argy leaders to invade the Falklands and win some patriotic `street cred`. She happened to be the leading political face of the force that was compelled to go down there and `whack em`.

Finance went Global, and the fact of business language being English and the centrally geographical location of Britain on the G.MT. line placed us in the prime position to take advantage of the fact.

This, and the increasing proceeds of North sea oil enabled her to finance the growing cost of social security during the period when low-cost foreign production was putting many Britons out
of work. (And therefore reduce the electorally unpopular effect of the unemployment numbers) This was the commencement of the benefit-dependence versus work issues that we have today.

During the short and sharp miners strike she was greatly helped by the fact that the public (although sympathetic to the miners) realized that no individual- interest group should be allowed to dictate economic policy to a democratically elected government.

Her leadership qualities almost made me believe in Feminism.

One of the great memories of her departure was the sight of those senior Tory prefects (who had enjoyed long electoral power by having their `bottoms spanked` by her so often in public) suddenly realizing that the party was over and – pulling their trousers up without shame – ingloriously expelling their very own
headmistress.

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John Coopey

Mon 28th Apr 2014 20:41

Many thanks for your kind comments, guys.

<Deleted User> (4172)

Mon 28th Apr 2014 16:09

Graham, i'm sorry for the misunderstanding. Political poetry, by its nature will always incite a reaction, which is why i steer clear of it. It's my experience that there are certain people on this site who seem to revel in the controversy of it which is why they post it in the first place. It's just a shame that they haven't anything more interesting to write about. No offence meant and no offence taken,Graham.

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M.C. Newberry

Mon 28th Apr 2014 16:05

The premise of JC's post is well taken. History
will be the judge when the rest of us are too
close to the times and the personalities in question.
Much is made of the demise of the pits and that's
readily understandable from the POV of those
directly affected. In the wider context, history
recalls how the hugely innovative and important
coaching trade that brought hitherto unknown
contact between communities found itself crashing
to ruin on the arrival of the railways. Those in
many connected trades - including roadside inns -
lost their livelihoods or adjusted, with many
seeking a change of employment, even with the new
powers behind the newly arrived means of travel.
My thought is that "history" will view our own
recent divisive social changes in a similar
light to what has gone before...and how many times...in our Island Story.

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Graham Sherwood

Mon 28th Apr 2014 11:55

Mike no offence meant to your comments. I just remember the furore that followed MT's funeral here on WOL. The bottom I refer to is the vehemence et al. Sorry if I have offended you. I'm not an old Tory either lol!

<Deleted User> (4172)

Mon 28th Apr 2014 10:57

As well as talk out of it. And it's interesting Mr Sherwood that you think because i'm not a lover of Thatcher or the Tory's (or even dare to have an opinion that differs to yours about them!) that i should be something 'stirred from the bottom.' Just the sort of 'mightier than thou' remark i'd expect from you old right wingers.

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Graham Sherwood

Mon 28th Apr 2014 09:19

Oh no! here we go again. Did you really have to stir the bottom again JC?

<Deleted User> (4172)

Mon 28th Apr 2014 09:06

The latter, i think. A monstrous, destructive individual and it is of no surprise that her death was so widely celebrated. Still, it's sweet that you still love her so.

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