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(As someone who campaigned for the Party during the 70's and 80's my views on the great man are a little more qualified than others)

 

Ben, the two of us need look no more

We both found what we were looking for

When I faced my darkest hour you helped me stay in power

So you my friend will see, you’ve got a friend in me.

 

All those times at Labour’s Conference

Causing rifts instead of congruence

With your fellow left wing cranks I owe you all my thanks

You didn’t know back then you were my best friend, Ben.

 

Ben, you shafted Labour well and good

Through those years that they were letting blood

First you fucked up Healey’s plan; the Gang of Four then ran

As in the boot you put – you gave us Michael Foot.

 

I used to be so alone

Now it’s time to atone.

 

Come to Margaret now you little puss

Let me pay you back for helping us

Let me stroke your fevered brow; we’re twinned together now

I’m free at last from Den to be with my friend, Ben.

◄ GRAND OLD DAMES

Joe 90 ►

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John Coopey

Mon 24th Mar 2014 18:20

But I do portray them equally at rest together, SW.

<Deleted User> (9882)

Mon 24th Mar 2014 17:48

for Gods sake,do at SOME point allow those who have passed on to REST in peace.

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John Coopey

Mon 24th Mar 2014 17:00

Quite possibly, MC. I didn't know enough about him to comment.
I am learning however that many people on this site seem uncomfortable accommodating diverse opinions.

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M.C. Newberry

Mon 24th Mar 2014 15:44

On the subject of controversial public figures...
on a day which sees the funeral of Bob Crow in
East London - accompanied by eulogies of thanks
and praise from vested interest parties, I recall
the contrasting view of a retired mechanical
engineer (London Transport) whose own view of the
man was far from forgiving let alone admiring
when the name was mentioned in his presence.
There are always two sides to any story, it seems.

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John Coopey

Sun 23rd Mar 2014 15:44

"Them as lives longest learns most" as they say, Harry. (TB proved an exception to the rule)

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Harry O'Neill

Sun 23rd Mar 2014 14:35

John,
I heard him twice talking to a captive audience of young (mainly socialist) union
members, and I repeat:

He was a completely boring young fart who (like it said on his bottle) `matured` into a completely boring old fart.

All he ever did was repeat his mantra over and over again

You are quite right about him and his ilk nearly sinking the Labour party without trace.

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John Coopey

Sun 23rd Mar 2014 09:14

Absolutely, FH. Once again, many thanks for your kind comments.
Mc - (I love it!)

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M.C. Newberry

Sun 23rd Mar 2014 02:16


JC...
I note that having a point of view - even (or should that be "especially"?) couched in humour - elicits personal abuse of the type that seems all too prevalent from a particular mindset in our
political spectrum. Laughter is a serious business, you know!!!
LOL on WOL :-)

fitzroy herbert

Sat 22nd Mar 2014 23:04

yes, JC, smarmy insincerity is your stock-in-trade.

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John Coopey

Sat 22nd Mar 2014 17:52

Why thankyou, FH. Always a pleasure to discuss the arts with a gentleman.

fitzroy herbert

Sat 22nd Mar 2014 16:26

Yes, JC, precisely the kind of smug mildly patronising crap I've learned to expect from you. Not much of what you say has much bearing on the argument. Scape-goating works - clearly you're as susceptible to it as others. And no, most people don't bother to look behind headlines or the superficial op-ed's and commentaries. It does say a lot about just how much UK politics has degenerated when conviction and integrity become attributes to be mocked.
And I do not believe that you dismiss the influence of the press as much as you suggest.

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John Coopey

Sat 22nd Mar 2014 16:09

Love it that you feel the need to label me in a box, MW. If that's how you see me, that's fine by me. But you don't seem terribly comfortable with Diversity.

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M.C. Newberry

Sat 22nd Mar 2014 15:54

Successful politics has been described as "the art
of the possible".
Going to extremes (Thatcher was thus accused)
is seen as fatal. She paid the price, exacted by her own party in the end and not the electorate.
It can be said that Benn fell into that trap but
managed to forge a reputation as a high-minded
idealist when power was a memory not an option.

<Deleted User> (4172)

Sat 22nd Mar 2014 15:40

Are you the same little Tory that wept on here when Thatcher died?

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John Coopey

Sat 22nd Mar 2014 15:13

Interesting perpective, FH. But not what I was hearing on the streets and in the exit polls when I was campaigning. (This was in the Socialist Republic of South Yorkshire, not leafy Tonbridge Wells). Clearly those people ought not to be allowed the vote if they got it so wrong. No, wait! It was the capitalist press misleading them. Clearly those people ought not to be alloweed to vote if they were so gullible.
As an afterthought, you are aware that TB was defeated by the Conservative candidate in his own constituency?

fitzroy herbert

Sat 22nd Mar 2014 13:39

This seems an extraordinarily unjust and blinkered view of recent UK political history. Unless of course you subscribe to the idea that Blair, Mandelson and Brown and the other closet-tories were actually good for the Labour Party. Rather than a Labour Party that still tried at least to represent the working people of Britain against the predations of neo-liberal capitalism.
But the Mainstream Media of this country saw in TB the perfect bete-noire to scare voters away from supporting anything that could restrain capital from doing exactly what it liked.
You're not the only one from that era. A close relative of mine with strong connections to the City came back home one afternoon after meeting with Blair and a group of City luminaries saying that yes, Blair was OK, was a good man and had been given their imprimatur. I found this deeply disturbing at the time. Was he putting on a cloak of electability, to take it off once in power? Was he hell. Tony Benn and a very few others, ridiculed and marginalised by just about every part of our 'free' press, were left howling in the desert. Now the very idea of Labour having links to organised labour is vilified as revisionist heresy. O tempora, o mores!
Your poem might be a harmless tongue-in-cheek literary conceit, but it's very cruel to accuse TB of destroying something he was actually trying to defend against those who couldn't wait to destroy it for their own selfish reasons.

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John Coopey

Sat 22nd Mar 2014 00:10

I think you need to be of a generation younger than us to offer unconditional adulation for the bloke, Harry. He was too destructive to the Labour Paarty for me to be able to do that.

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Harry O'Neill

Fri 21st Mar 2014 22:14

One of your best John,
In the days when Labour politicians attended Union conferences we had
him twice...What an absolute bore!

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John Coopey

Fri 21st Mar 2014 17:04

Spitting Image - Yes. Give me satire over ranting any day.

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M.C. Newberry

Fri 21st Mar 2014 16:46

Electronics couldn't have done any better - and I
don't include electrodes you know where! 10/10
for effect. I was watching a TV repeat last night
of a programme about the glory days of "Spitting
Image" - with those terribly cruel - but terribly
funny caricatures of Margaret Thatcher and her team - not to mention the rest. I'm sure T.Benn
was among them somewhere but didn't spot him.

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John Coopey

Fri 21st Mar 2014 07:58

That iss indeed me, MC. The elaastic band worked a treat but I can't get it off. A little historical juggling at work but who would not pay to see margaret Thatcher, Tony Benn and Michael Jackson appearing together?

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M.C. Newberry

Fri 21st Mar 2014 01:55

Is that your voice JC...?? My eyes are watering!
Love the catchy adaptation and that lovely pay-off
("free from Den..."). The inspiration never seems
to flag up there in Coopey-land. I shall now
retire to bed - late as usual from online browsing - but with a grin on my face.
Thanks.

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