I'm afraid that's the way it has to be in our model of democracy, Alan. If politicians had to fund the mess themselves, no "working men" would go into politics; there would only be those wealthy enough to take on the risk who would do so. A patrician society.
I'm afraid we're John Bulls lumbered with the Four Alls.
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All we need is a choir and a YouTube video.
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Yes, I agree - but the real prat was that pillock Cameron, who started the whole thing to keep his backbenchers quiet and put in a referendum without any prior conditions and, when he found that he would have to manage the results of his stupidity, just legged it as far as he could.
The thing about politicians is that they NEVER have to pay financially for their mistakes. WE, the 'ordinary', powerless people have tp pick up the mess.
And pay for it.
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If only negotiation was as easy as telling the other party what you want, MC, and them then giving it to you.
I’ve never bought the argument, Po, that politicians are any less honest than the rest of us. But rather I feel that Politics isn’t the place for absolutes and idealism. Too much compromise and getting your hands dirty on difficult decisions.
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"Beat me", said the masochist.
"No", said the sadist!
And I think Parliament has had - and has still - its share of both!!
If the democratic majority vote to leave had been respected at the
outset, the relevant European Communities Act tying us to the
EU could have been repealed by Parliament and the break begun
our own terms. Instead, unwilling to act decisively, those who
have <ultra vires> transferred the power invested in them by UK
election to Brussels, even now talk of binding (illegally) future
parliaments to agreements with the EU. They have their fellow-
travellers in the USA who tend to think they can over-ride their
own famous Constitution - and do! It is called "post-Constitution".
These are difficult and even dangerous times in many ways.
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I once tried to impress on Daughter No 2 the importance of voting, Po,
“Men have died for your right to vote” I said.
“They’d be dead now anyway” she said.
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Ha ha, Kev. You feel I should get off the fence a bit more?
I have to say, MC, I’m quite enjoying this. And I am acquiring a grudging respect for TM who has tried to manage the democratic decision while holding the shitty end of the stick. Cf The Invisible Man, Corbyn, Or her own party’s political careerists. (As a former manager, I’ve always realised its a lot easier throwing stones than doing something).
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Just to make it clear John, are you for or against Brexit?
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Pithy and uncomfortable enough to makes both sides think.
But any lot in Parliament that chooses to act ultra vires to tie us in
to something that has - like the "Alien" - mutated into something
no one warned us about deserves to wriggle and squirm on the hook of public disquiet - from whatever political position held..
The Tories should be the Janus Party
Two-faced, deceitful and smarty-farty.
If they'd repudiated the Community Act
Wielding a proper chopper to enact
The vote that said we want to leave
And spared us the wily web they weave
With all that "May we...please sir" sop
Toadying to Johnny C's Junkshop,
At least we be well on the way to pain
That was OURS to face - with much to gain!
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Sudacrem, Brian I lathered it on my two when they were little.
Thanks, Po.
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Sun 2nd Dec 2018 21:28
You'll gather, Hazel, that the choir would not select me!
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