Death for a cause

pain beyond belief


A following.


After two thousand years

the old planets roll,

eyes cast up to God

or down with grief,

seeking answers. 


All is silence

beyond belief. 




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Sun 14th Oct 2018 21:30

Hi Brian, thanks for liking the poem.

Hannah, well it's nice that you pack such exact thoughts into your comments, I appreciate that.


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Hannah Collins

Sun 14th Oct 2018 21:06

It's powerful and clever.
Thought provoking.
Read it three times.


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Sun 14th Oct 2018 16:30

Thanks all for your comments. Sometimes careful responses to reader's thoughts can be more taxing than the poem itself, as it like a book cover being opened up with the long story in front of you.

As this poem encompasses all manner of associated ideas, I was aware of the task involved. I wanted to give a potted view of pain and what it might lead to. Undoubtedly deliberately invited pain as with Jesus is a whole different matter, but I still thought it was a relevant idea. Do those who worship bear that in mind, and or has it all been reduced to mantras. I'll let you decide.

Thanks Anya, It has served a purpose!

Rachel, your points are highly relevant, and call into question our involvement . You seem to imply a sort of relinquishing of personal responsibility in the bigger picture. A masterly idea and true in many cases. Thanks.

Thank you Jon. I'm please with such a short poem that you considered that.

Hi David. An instinctive response to silence is certainly to fill it with nonsense, or whatever may be lurking in the wings, perhaps like a celestial Mr Punch with retribution.

I feel there is revelation in silence. It has to be an open and an aware one though - if that makes sense.
Thanks for your thoughts .

Thanks Graham, i'm sure from a forensic point of view you could be right - but obviously extreme pain must have been a factor in the process, not necessarily fatal but in combination. Yes, I did refer to the long time issue- however in all ancient tales is a long life span as with fairy tales, being allegorical and not restricted to our everyday experiences. The shortness of it is really all I feel I needed to make the point.

I think converts will find a time when it may be right for them - i'm not one of them.

Thanks for dropping in, Taylor and Raven, appreciated.


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Graham Sherwood

Sat 13th Oct 2018 08:45

I believe most crucifixions were actually a long drawn out death by asphyxiation as the head could not be kept held up.
Perhaps here you refer to the inordinate length of time it has taken people to see through the smoke and mirrors of religion.
I don’t think believers do want evidence at all, preferring the supernaturality (that isn’t a word by the way) to living proof or otherwise.
Interesting how a short little piece has already grabbed a few converts!

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Jon Stainsby

Sat 13th Oct 2018 08:06

Sums it all up really.

Great, Ray.


Sat 13th Oct 2018 01:44

Ray, I'm not sure that what I'm about to say is entirely relevant, but I'll say it anyway.

I recently watched a documentary that touched upon the divide encountered by the religious to the more scientific rigors. And, it struck me that the believers that were portrayed as they sat within their congregations truly all expected to be spoken to as if they were children. I suspect that they, either by will of conscious choice or by subtle enforcement, choose to remain unaccountable to the course of history by relinquishing their own authority to an unseen 'almighty' force.

Where does that leave the rest of us?


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