M.C. Newberry

COR - LABOUR'S FOR THE BYN!

by M.C. Newberry

Wednesday 23rd September 2015 3:44 pm (first posted Monday 14th September 2015 3:41 pm)

In biblical times JC and his band

Sought to lead folk to a Promised Land

Despite the words and reported miracle

The people rejected his religious empiracal

Disbelieving, disappointed and at a loss

They saw him put upon a cross

Now full two millenia later

Our own JC (establishment hater)

Preaches his old/new style religion

(Common sense? - perhaps a smidgen).

I suspect this old/new Labour boss

Will redefine the meaning: "cross"

And after achieving the expected mess

Will be sentenced to the wilderness

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◄ WHY?

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Comments

M.C. Newberry

Wed 23rd Sep 2015 15:42

I will wait with much interest to note how the new Labour
leader's economic ideas show signs of working. As my
late mother was fond of observing: "The proof of the pudding is in the eating."
As for Todd's philosophy - born of a life full of trying and
failing, for richer and poorer - he deserves more that the
dismissive "Tod (sic) talked stupidly". His life's experiences
were born out of the knowledge of working towards goals
and whether failing or succeeding, keeping the mind open
and ready to carry on regardless of success or failure.
I continue my quest for an official definition of "poor" - a
word so readily adopted these days across the social
spectrum here in the UK.

Tommy Carroll

Tue 22nd Sep 2015 18:12

The list below are supporters of Jeremy Corbyn's economic plan.
They happen to be mainstream ECONOMISTS.

David Blanchflower
Bruce V Rauner professor of economics, Dartmouth and Stirling, ex-member of the MPC
Mariana Mazzucato
Professor, Sussex
Grazia Ietto-Gillies
Emeritus professor, London South Bank University
Malcolm Walker
Emeritus professor, Leeds
Robert Wade
Professor, LSE
Michael Burke
Economist
Steve Keen
Professor, Kingston University London
Victoria Chick
Emeritus professor, UCL
Anna Coote
NEF personal capacity
Ozlem Onaran
Professor, Greenwich
Andrew Cumbers
Professor, Glasgow
Tina Roberts
Economist
Dr Suzanne J Konzelmann
Birkbeck
Tanweer Ali
Lecturer, New York
John Weeks
Professor, SOAS
Marco Veronese Passarella
Lecturer, University of Leeds
Dr Judith Heyer
Emeritus Fellow, Somerville College, Oxford
Dr Jerome De-Henau
Senior lecturer, Open University
Stefano Lucarelli
Professor, University of Bergamo
Paul Hudson
Formerly Universität Wissemburg-Halle
Mario Seccareccia
Professor, Ottawa
Dr Pritam Singh
Professor, Oxford Brookes
Arturo Hermann
Senior research fellow at Istat, Rome
Dr John Roberts
Brunel
Cyrus Bina
Professor, Minnesota
Alan Freeman
Retired former economist
George Irvin
Professor, SOAS
Susan Pashkoff
Economist
Radhika Desai
Professor, University of Manitoba
Diego Sánchez-Ancochea
Associate professor, University of Oxford
Guglielmo Forges Davanzati
Associate professor, University of Salento
Jeanette Findlay
Senior lecturer, Glasgow
Raphael Kaplinsky
Emeritus professor, Open University
John Ross
Socialist Economic Bulletin
Steven Hail
Adjunct lecturer, University of Adelaide
Louis-Philippe Rochon
Associate professor, Laurentian
Hilary Wainwright
Editor, Red Pepper
Arturo Hermann
Senior researcher, ISAE, Rome
Joshua Ryan-Collins
NEF personal capacity
James Medway
Lecturer, City University
Alberto Paloni
Professor, Glasgow
Dr Mary Roberton
Leeds

Tommy Carroll

Tue 22nd Sep 2015 16:36

Tod talked stupidly. Regardless of ones fiscal or social position, poverty, whether relative or absolute, has never been merely a state of mind. Try paying a restaurant bill in that currency.

M.C. Newberry

Tue 22nd Sep 2015 15:34

John - I'm open to the idea that disaffected Labour
supporters turned to Ukip. I based my comment on reports
- possibly from "vested interest" sources - that Ukip was
a home for "disaffected Tories".
Tommy - Newberry calling! My understanding of fiscal
obligations may be "laughable" but it does not come
near the ludicrous socialist grasp of economics and its legacy when in occupying the government benches.
The vociferous proponents of the socialist way might
add to their credibility if they are on record as
contributors to both party funds and the immediate
"needy".
In passing, I also recall the words of experience from
the late Mike Todd - best known nowadays for the Todd-AO screen projection system - youngest of 9 kids
from a poor family who was expelled from 6th grade
and dropped out of high school, yet went on to make and lose numerous fortunes through his own endeavours
over an adult lifetime that included the Great
Depression. He observed "I've been broke many times
in my life, but I've never been poor. Being broke is a
temporary condition. Being poor is a state of mind. If
you think in terms of money, think of what you can't do".
On a personal note, I have enquired about the official
definition of the word "poor" - having been the youngest
of 6 children whose mother was widowed in her forties
before the kick-in of state benefits and who carried on
as her generation did - broke but not poor? - but no one seems able to tell me.
You seem most likely to be able to set out the current
definition from what you say.
Cheers.

John F Keane

Mon 21st Sep 2015 22:04

Not sure that all UKIP voters were disenchanted Tories -

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2014/12/17/ukip-voters-put-themselves-left-tories/

Many UKIP voters are older working class people who are disenchanted with particular aspects of Labour, especially their attitude towards immigration.

Really, UKIP is a broad church for people with a dissatisfaction with 'mainstream' politics in general. I am a fiscal Conservative and lifestyle liberal but admire UKIP's commitment to restoring selective education, for example.

Tommy Carroll

Mon 21st Sep 2015 21:30

Newberry individual donations should go to the political party of their choice, not spread amongst to the 'deserving poor'. Your grasp of economic and social issues and the requirements in resolving them is laughable.

. The Department of Work and Pentions and the Institute of Fiscal Studies have declared that 10%-25% are in relative or absolute poverty. That's 6-15 million people and that number is rising.
Individual largesse is both insufficient as well as insulting.

M.C. Newberry

Mon 21st Sep 2015 15:52

Harry - Taking into account the four million votes for Ukip
a party which many insist is made up of disaffected
Tories and add that to the eleven million I saw reported
for Cameron's Tories, that makes up a hefty number of votes in all for those "not of the left". I look on with
interest to see what Corbyn does but he has already
blotted his copybook in my eyes with his "U" turn on
leaving the EU.
Tommy - contributing to the benefit of the less well off
can take many forms - creative, inventive, enabling by
generating jobs, and this is not the province of any
particular political "class". If so, the question asked is
why very wealthy supporters of "the left" (think show
biz - Elton John, Emma Thompson and so many other
successes) manage to keep their millions and their
lifestyles intact rather than share their wealth around in true social(ist) fashion. It's never been a fair/perfect
world and altruism has appeared from many disparate
sources towards trying to make it a better place. Long
may that continue. Any government that oversees income reaching a higher level before income tax is
payable also helps the less well-off.

Harry O'Neill

Mon 21st Sep 2015 10:04

Life`s hectic but I can`t help commenting that:

1...the Tory election victory was due to fear of the financial
situation and the bag of last minute goodies that the Tory`s
promised and were compelled to offer...It wasn`t a landslide.

2...The present situation of a `social apostolic` but powerless
leader backed by a `socio - relistic` shadow cabinet actually
holding the reins might be a workable blessing to the (let`s
face it) absolutley bland leadership that the Labour Party
might have been faced with otherwise.

2...It could be the best of all possible worlds...We keep the
Rebel Music for the heart and keep the common sense for
the mind.