Paradoxes: 1; 2; 1.5 and

Friday 10th June 2016 2:24 am

A Paradox is a conflation of stigmata: The certainty of mathematics and ones inability to describe (in language) what we experience. This confusion is the point at which motion obeys all laws and defines all laws.

A paradox is a conflation of contradictory assertions. At no time nor space, are you able to ascertain the point at which a changeover occurs... Movement never occupies a series of definite spaces, sobbing in and out of existence, but a wail that rises and falls, occupying- deserting, being and not being simultaneously, failing to occupy the same space.

A paradox is an excellent example of movement; a wondrous confusion of movement, being and argument.

A Paradox is an excuse for the unreasonable: The absurdity of mathematics and our inability to describe (in language) what we experience. This confusion is the point at which motion succumbs to all laws.

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Paradox

A Paradox is a conflation of stigmata: The asumptions of mathematics and ones inability to define with symbols what we experience.
This confusion is the point at which motion defines all laws.
A paradox owes more to poetry than science. A paradox is a conflation of contradictory assertions.
At no time nor space, are you able to ascertain the point at which a changeover occurs...
Movement never occupies a series of definite spaces, sobbing in and out of existence, but a wail that rises and falls, occupying- deserting, being and not being simultaneously,

and in short:

A paradox is an algorithm for uncertainty.

A paradox owes more to poetry than science.

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Comments

Tommy Carroll

Fri 1st Dec 2023 23:07

It be-eth and that is a fact.
elp🙂

elPintor

Mon 13th Jun 2016 00:49

oy..all of the minor disasters I could have averted if only I had remembered the smiley face..

Cool, Tommy..and a nod to Harry and Chesterton..

elP :D

Tommy Carroll

Sun 12th Jun 2016 23:15

Hi folks just a reprint of a post put in elPintor's page...;~)

elP
you have answered it and all quite wonderfully. And I did not in the least intended it (my original reply to you) to be anything but "school masterly" I keep forgetting to use the smileies ;~) Again I have enjoyed your responses as much as my original writing of the piece. :~) Tommy

Harry O'Neill

Sun 12th Jun 2016 16:16

I take this as `about` the un-pin-down-ability of poetry n.

A Chesterton example of paradox:

`Take the case of courage. No quality has ever so much addled the brains and tangled the definitions of merely rational sages. Courage is almost a contradiction in terms. It means a strong desire to live taking the form of a readiness to die. 'He that will lose his life, the same shall save it,' is not a piece of mysticism for saints and heroes. It is a piece of everyday advice for sailors or mountaineers. It might be printed in an Alpine guide or a drill book. This paradox is the whole principle of courage; even of quite earthly or brutal courage. A man cut off by the sea may save his life if we will risk it on the precipice.`

Tommy`s piece mentions mathematics, confusion, and
the point at which motion defines all laws. it also talks about a conflation of contradictory assertions. All of which jusifies elPintor fetching in science and mathematics.It is also obviously talking about poetry, with which the thing is connected....I think elPintors comments are valid.

The things being talked about here is the connection of mathematics to the scientific changes which seem to be shaking the former certainties of the old sciences, and a
connection to the traditional - sometimes paradoxical -
indeterminacy of meaning in language.

Sometimes this leads to a sort of wooly, disconnected theory of poetry... Personally, I think a good exercise in
considering this is to read some (good) modern stuff against the interpretive towsing given to Shakespeare`s
sonnet 18 In `Wikipedia sonnet 18`.

elPintor

Sun 12th Jun 2016 07:47

Hi,

I have been on the site now going on about two months, and have since been reading your work. Being somewhat new around here, I realize I run the risk of, unintentionally, "rubbing someone the wrong way", however, I only respond when something has caught my attention and the piece moves me to do so; even then, only when I like the work and I can come up with words to express my thoughts. I would never try to manipulate anyone through a response to their work. I commented because I enjoyed reading it (over and over) and found the form particularly interesting.

If I said that I understand the piece completely as you intended it, I would be, at the least, exaggerating. That said, the "terminology" you've used intermixed with poetic phrasing (particularly, "Movement never occupies a series of definite spaces, sobbing in and out of existence, but a wail that rises and falls, occupying- deserting, being and not being simultaneously..") grabbed my attention. There are very particular words you've used that suggest "science" and "mathematics" (ie uncertainty, changeover, series of definite spaces), yet you've intermixed them with words like "confusion"..suffice it to say that it shows that you've put a fair amount of thought and work into putting this together.

Some of my reaction is based in memories of the amazement I've felt as a result of taking classes in mathematics. I'm no "beautiful mind", yet I can appreciate the excitement of coming to a sort of revelation through study. So, I hope I understand, yet I can only interpret through the lens of my own perspective.

Hope that answers your questions, Tommy,

elP

Tommy Carroll

Sun 12th Jun 2016 02:17

elp- Hi, having given some thought to your response, and considerable effort into the piece, I have to wonder from whence your conclusions arrive. Have and when have you- if ever- read other work of mine? or, am I experiencing an Hemorrhagic interlude? Not wishing to appear (oh dear) flippant nor drunk, I wonder am I experiencing clever manipulation? I say this as I am a very open yet frivolous chap. I do enjoy your analysis, and, wonder (once again) if you understand the piece or are you just playing with gramma? Anyway you have taken some considerable effort, and I have, as already stated, enjoyed your response. I do consider it (your response) interesting. Yours in pergatude Tommy

elPintor

Fri 10th Jun 2016 23:51

Hey, Tommy,

"The [certainty/absurdity/assumptions] of mathematics and ones inability to describe/define what we experience."

I read this over and over and am still reading it. These kinds of things seem to feed my attention deficit in an odd sort of way..my eyes keep flitting back and forth to specific terms and phrases.

Anyway, a few things really stand out to me..

1..inter-dimensionality of sound and movement--great use of "sound" like sobbing, wailing, howling and the mention of the indiscrete quality of movement
2..uncertainty principle and changeover--enjoyed your use of "scientific" terms intermixed with those poetic--like, you can know where something is yet not know how fast it is going; or, how fast, yet not be certain of its position
3..confluence of ideas--i.e. poetry, science, words, mathematics--necessitating either revision of previous postulate or a formation of a new postulate in 1.5..

Interesting stuff..I have a only little knowledge of the scientific aspect of certain terms but a great appreciation of your use of analogy of scientific/mathematical terms to describe less mundane aspects of existence..

Very cool.

elP

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