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The Waste Land - T S Eliot

 

I have just been listening to 'In Our Time' on Radio 4. In it Melvyn Bragg invited a couple of 'experts' to discuss 'The Waste Land by T S Eliot. It spurred me to make a few comments of my own which I have held for years, but never expressed.


After more than eighty years of this poem's existence and endless academic analysis, what their observations amounted to was that they didn't know what the poem was about. Having said this they still ended by muttering how important it was and that it laid the basis of the important Modernist movement. Doesn't this just illustrate how willing we are to accord spurious value to unintelligible rubbish and look on in awe at high culture which we cannot understand, but we are sure is really important and wonderful if ever we could just manage to penetrate it.


When Eliot was nearing completion of the poem he told prospective publishers, and anybody else who would listen, that it was a very great work which would shake the literary world. Eliot was a genuine lover of words and language and he had the ability to produce lines that flow beautifully and remain well in the memory. He exploited this skill to produce work that was very readable in parts although containing nothing of any worth at all in terms of meaning. At the same time he did include some of his misogyny and racism in the meaningless drivel of casual observations and mental ramblings.


Eliot himself was contradictory about the poem. On at least one occasion he said that it was of no real worth and that it contained only thirty good lines. That was a moment of honesty and clarity.


Eliot was a depressed man in a miserable marriage. He had very extreme political views which included despising Jews and seeing people like himself as the victim of strange conspiracies. He was reinforced in these unpleasant views of the world by his association with Ezra Pound, a sickening fascist who adored Mussolini and was also an anti-semite; probably more virulent than Eliot. Pound was a close confidant of Eliot and he contributed substantially in its completion and editing.


Eliot and Pound both considered themselves to be extremely well read and intelligent people who occupied a more refined strata of humanity than all those around them. They regarded a large proportion of humanity as unpleasant oiks who were not fit for culture and refinement.


The Waste Land and its unintelligible notes are actually a good reflection of the attitudes and perceptions of these two men. They were both extremely pretentious. They saw themselves as very well read members of an elite group above the mass. The Waste Land, like other works by both men, repeatedly uses literary references and other languages to no purpose other than to tell the reader that the author is very learned. The writings which Eliot describes as notes are actually nothing more than lines wanted by his publisher to pad the poem out to the length wanted for publication and further confusions intended to send the reader off on a wild goose chase of reading as they try to delve into the obscure 'meaning' of the poem.


What should we think of the Waste Land now? Enjoy the sound of those parts of it which are pleasant to the ear. Make no attempt at all to analyse or dissect it. Let its inadequate and unattractive author be seen for person he was and stop feeding his own delusions of being a class above the rest of us if not part of a mythical master race.

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Malpoet

Wed 11th Mar 2009 10:07

A guy called Digby has just drawn my attention to a book called 'Mots d'heures: Gousses, Rames' (Mother Goose Rhymes). It is absolutely brilliant.

What it does is translate english nursery rhymes into real French words that sound the same as the English, but are complete nonsense in French. It is hilarious and at the same time a perfect satire on Modernism and the pretentious poets like Eliot and Pound.

Just Google

Mots d'heures: Gousses, Rames

It is well worth a look.

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Malpoet

Thu 26th Feb 2009 16:37

There are plenty of these emperors around Bill. I would include Eliot, Pound and a lot of media pundits among them. More of us ought to be tweaking their dangly bits in my opinion.
Steve
"I don't know. I think The Waste Land is a mess of a poem - some of it great, some of it just about okay, some of it fucking unreadable - but I wouldn't dismiss it entirely."
I don't dismiss it entirely. I like the sound of some of it and it has a value for that. I don't think it has a value as comment on modern life of the 1920's or anything else that is claimed for it.

"In my opinion, it's one of those works where it's more important what it does rather than what it means. It's deliberately provocative. It's looking for a response. I think its subsequent merits as a poem, because of that, are down to what the reader brings to it."
I agree that Eliot liked to provoke, but it is mostly about him showing off. I think that the response he was looking for mostly was 'isn't that Mr Eliot a terrribly clever man'. What does it do? I don't know what you mean by the poem having merit by what the reader brings to it.

"I also couldn't give a monkeys whether any poet (especially a canonical poet) was a nice/nasty person - unless their poetry advocates/incites hatred, bigotry, violence or a tolerance for the "comedy" of Jim Davidson. But then that's not the sort of poetry I'd want to read in the first place."
A great artist doesn't have to be a nice person. We can certainly appreciate the art and ignore the human failings or even be unaware of them. In the case of Eliot, his writing is run through with his hatred of women, Jews and anybody who he considered to be inferior (which was most people). Sadly, modern transcribers have edited most of this out in an effort to preserve what they want of his work. I don't agree with sanitising people and things in this way.

"As for Mervin Bagg and his chin-stroking chums... Well, the former pissed away most of his credibility years ago. It's important to have experts who can document and act as custodians to art and literature, but that doesn't necessarily make their opinions right."
No they are not necessarily right. I didn't agree with anybody on Bragg's programme, but then I don't agree with many people about anything. Maybe Eliot would have liked me! Despite my drunken lifestyle and proletarian origins I am an accredited Chinny Winny as will be confirmed by the most beautiful of WoL members.

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Steve OConnor

Thu 26th Feb 2009 13:12

Hi Mal

I don't know. I think The Waste Land is a mess of a poem - some of it great, some of it just about okay, some of it fucking unreadable - but I wouldn't dismiss it entirely.

In my opinion, it's one of those works where it's more important what it does rather than what it means. It's deliberately provocative. It's looking for a response. I think its subsequent merits as a poem, because of that, are down to what the reader brings to it.

I also couldn't give a monkeys whether any poet (especially a canonical poet) was a nice/nasty person - unless their poetry advocates/incites hatred, bigotry, violence or a tolerance for the "comedy" of Jim Davidson. But then that's not the sort of poetry I'd want to read in the first place.

As for Mervin Bagg and his chin-stroking chums... Well, the former pissed away most of his credibility years ago. It's important to have experts who can document and act as custodians to art and literature, but that doesn't necessarily make their opinions right.

Good bit of polemic by the way, Mal. You should write more of this stuff.

Steve

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Thu 26th Feb 2009 12:35

I do not know The Wasteland, but I heard the radio prog.
Three terms which come to mind having heard some of the participants are;
'emperors-new clothesism',
'obscurantism', and
'bullshit-syndrome'. Bill Kelly.

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