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Poetry writing is turning into a fashion rather than instinct, urge.
Fri, 19 Oct 2018 06:19 am
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I tend to agree Avishek...I am part of it.

Also, on this site, poetry seems to have become a vehicle for people to talk about themselves, their feelings, their mental condition.
Fri, 19 Oct 2018 09:04 am
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What else has poetry ever been about Brian, are there restrictions on it? I note even you on occasion talk about yourself, maybe in jest but it is still a form of disclosure of self.

I mean it may be so, but that statement seems presented in a fashion which somehow suggests it is incorrect to do so.

Expression is by definition talking about ourselves, it is revealing even if we are focussing on other people. What can we present which is not somehow the essence of us?

If people choose to disclose information about themselves surely that is fine, personally I disclose much more about myself in the comments I make, but that discussion usually has its origins in the verse, and I try and keep it relevant.

It is a freedom of choice isn't it?

I have to ask, do you object to people talking about their mental health or conditions from which they suffer? if they find it somehow a method of relief are you not pleased for them? I think in truth it irritates you, I understand that emotion completely and if it is so we are fortunate that we can all exclude that which irritates us. I mean I am almost sure you prefer to exclude me, it's fine I absolutely get it.

I don't know maybe you are simply making a statement and have no feelings either way, but in that case it seems unusual that you might make reference to it.

I almost regret responding already, but there you have it. Me on a plate disclosing stuff about myself, f--- me its almost poetic.
Fri, 19 Oct 2018 03:46 pm
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Merely an observation David in the same way that Avishek made one about fashion. To respect Avishek this discussion thread should probably stick to his original point.
Fri, 19 Oct 2018 05:25 pm
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Well thats's an idea Brian, but discussions are more informative and often beneficial to most parties if they are permitted to develop.

Indeed even your comment seemed to beg its further development, maybe my questions and observations made you uncomfortable, we won't know because you chose not to address anything I took the time to mention.

But of course that is entirely your perogative.

Maybe we should let Avishek decide which way to develop the thread if at all, shall we?

And in the meantime If I have wandered into areas unwelcome to Avishek, my apologies to him. And yes, many Banks and commercial entities have somehow hijacked poetry in a fashionable way to sell stuff, is that wrong? discuss.
Fri, 19 Oct 2018 05:37 pm
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Big Sal

On social media Avishek, most poetry IS fashion and not at all the product of instinct. Instagram is an example of this.

Write Out Loud is one of the only places online I've found that not only encourages a writer's healthy growth (albeit often at the expense of favoritism), and does not provide too big of a toxic backdrop that trolls thrive on to belittle others. Most, if not all the people on this site come here and post their poetry for honest feedback, or for the mere fact of putting their emotions to paper and finally to rest by expressing it for others to see.

For some it is enough merely to post it and not to publish, which is fine. For others, the thrill of seeking publication can turn into an ordeal before they know it, but still gets them through the day.

On this same note, spur-of-the-moment poetry can result in some of the most beautiful, artistically inspired words to ever grace a page.

Fri, 19 Oct 2018 05:50 pm
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Before putting down a word I went through the discussions several times. Actually a writer can not not evade his own shadow.can we? In most cases poetry tends to be subjective. These subjective emotions with the brush of poets thought become universal.Thats how we relate to several works. In my case I doubt myself in my ability to compose a poetry.I often stumble.But thats not my point.I hinted at the show off.Now a days poetry lack pure emotive fervour.Sometime it seems that we are producing poetry without sinking into abyss of beauty,emotion.Poetry writing has become a duty ,not an inner urge,an insatiable thirst.This is my personal feeling.Thanks to Brian,Wolfgar and Big Sal for your valuable discussions.The variety in discussions is a gift indeed.
Sat, 20 Oct 2018 09:43 am
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Personal sniping apart, poetry is (as far as my involvement is concerned) currently very popular. That is why the corporates are climbing on the bandwagon. Much to the anguish of much of the grass roots level.

Knowing that there is very little money in being a poet is what bonds most of us together, hence the condemnation of those adding their names to the Nationwide Ads by some of the purists.

I do wonder if Carol Ann Duffy had been offered a TV Ad would she have done it. I think possibly she would have. Whereas other notables would have turned it down.

We’ll never know will we?

Glad someone bothered to tackle your question Avishek.
Sat, 20 Oct 2018 12:48 pm
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Poetry for me is definitely a way I express my feelings. When I have extra emotions running through my body my writing is always much better. I fell in love with poetry for this reason. When i have more poems up i think we will all see i am just pouring my feelings out about all life situations. Haha! And its not something I will apologise for bit I hope each reader will enjoy it.
My favourite poetry to read on this site has also been from writers expressing their feelings. That's what poetry is all about for me. Feeling the words which I put on the paper 😊
Sun, 21 Oct 2018 09:55 am
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Hello everyone,
I guess this may be too late, but I thought you may be interested in this article that I was led to via it's translation into French in Courier International:


I could get stuck into many of the ideas appearing in the thread above, but I won't go there for the moment. I'm probably guilty of all the "offenses" mentioned. I will say that I think poetry can both pour from the soul and be carefully crafted and refined: that it can be personal therapy and still be shared to hopefully help others: and that one person's fashion soundbite could be another's turning point for the week/month/lifetime.
Mon, 12 Nov 2018 08:33 pm
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Big Sal

Poetry eh? The perfect vehicle for emotions to die in after a fiery crash with reality.😈
Thu, 15 Nov 2018 04:56 pm
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Agreed, this is my first time doing anything like this and it’s been fun and positive. I don’t use social media much don’t find it does anything for me.
I have a few questions.

Can a story be considered a poem. What defines a poem? I always see poetry as short thought provoking words. But I’m seeing a lot of great imagery here. Which I like. I guess it’s more of an intellectual challenge to readers when it’s longer.
Sat, 24 Nov 2018 10:00 am
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Big Sal

Honestly, to me, anything shorter than a couple couplets is usually just a quote or a haiku. Anything longer than 40 lines and it can veer into mini-epic territory, as most people have much shorter attention spans than that. Usually only the real lovers of reading will go that far in any poem.

My next book is one, single story broken up into different shards of memory, and as such has many themes making up a single concept. So, yes, a story can very much be a poem, but it has to be done right for fear of overplaying either side. Too poetic or abstract and you stand the chance of folk not understanding it, and too many story elements and you have the chance of putting off normal readers that read for the love of poetry itself.

If you ask WOL to define what a poem is, be prepared for a month-long foray into superiority complexes, personal opinions, very little facts, and a lot of hot air. Just write what feels right for you, and eventually once you find your feet as a writer the topics will become much easier to verbalize and write down. Practice indeed does make perfect.

If poetry is the poor man's feast, then imagery is the fork we bring to eat. Can't do much without using it a lot in different places sometimes.

And to be honest, some of the best poems on here are often less than 20 lines.😵
Sat, 24 Nov 2018 01:33 pm
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For me, poetry is what I dream with. Sometimes the dream can be discomfiting and strange, sometimes it can be more familiar and comfortable. I try to surprise myself, sometimes I succeed. It's not exactly a story but it might contain stories. Or fragments of stories. Poetry is written in the language of the waking dream.

Well, that's what I think today at least.
Sun, 25 Nov 2018 11:16 am
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