Truth and justice

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What is truth?

Truth is what is



what is is?








is a word

a sound

a grunt

Me me me

My partner

My kids

You think your kid

is the cutest in the class

You have to think that

Truth is family


You think your favourite novel

is the best novel

because you are the smartest

You don't have to think that

but you still do

Truth is art


Your kid's in prison now


My favourite novelist's forgotten

I took his trilogy to Oxfam

Persuaded I was wrong

by critical and public


Truth changes with time

and with others' truth


Like anything else

mass truth is stronger than



Truth can be bullied


Suppression of truth

leads to spiritual death

Spiritual death

leads to

actual death

Truth can be killed


Musical interlude:

You say I'm wrong

And I say I'm right

I'm right I'm right

I don't know why you say I'm wrong

I say I'm right


Opinions cut like diamond

through complexity





through naked eyes




Truth can be ignorant


Scientists argue

tearing Gaza strips off each other

Poets wrestle like gorillas

Truth breeds hatred


Juries are needed

because no-one really knows

what happened


Pontius Pilate used a mob

which freed a common criminal

There's no virtue in poverty

There's no virtue in loving your enemy

is there?

Some truths are hated



depends on truth


That's why


there's no justice

◄ Thought waves

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<Deleted User> (7789)

Sun 5th Dec 2010 00:06

Thanks Francine - one has to be philosophical sometimes!

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Sat 4th Dec 2010 20:00

I love these philosophical musings... You are so right!

<Deleted User> (7789)

Sat 4th Dec 2010 18:52

Thanks v much Chris - there's no point writing what everybody knows to be 'true', or in trying to be diplomatic. I shall continue along these lines that have served me so badly!

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Chris Co

Sat 4th Dec 2010 18:46

I loved this when you read it at Moreton on Monday.

Fantastic poem Tony.

I think this philosophical jacket suits you very well....I really think your voice/outlook on such things should be explored further.

Very refreshing and counter-intuitively intelligent.

<Deleted User> (7789)

Sat 4th Dec 2010 16:18

Many thanks James... Yeah, fair point about the Gaza strips line. I pondered whether to take it out but I q liked it as it is another symbol of violence shoehorned in to the pre-existing line and just was a bit surreal. Some of my poetry can be a bit prosaic in its use of language, deliberately so, so I just thought I'd vary it with that line. Well-spotted!!
There are question marks near the start - did i forget them later on? If so it wasn't intentional, or maybe there were no questions. I don't use a lot of punctuation normally but I do normally add question marks - it helps with the tone of voice when reading, if nothing else.
Thanks again

<Deleted User> (8657)

Sat 4th Dec 2010 15:34

cool poems dude.

Lots of different ideas that really get you going.

I worry though that in someways forcing so many ideas together diminishes them a little bit. For example the way you throw in Gaza Strips is a bit wtf as it feels like you've not followed through the idea.

The start also contains a lot more punctuation than the beginning. Is this to represent a loss of form or cohesion in the world.

<Deleted User> (7789)

Sat 4th Dec 2010 14:24

Thanks guys - I appreciate your considered comments. Whether they're true or not - well, that's another matter!!

<Deleted User> (7164)

Sat 4th Dec 2010 14:00

''Suppression of truth leads to spiritual death.
Spiritual death leads to actual death. Truth can be killed.''

That one stanza says it all for me.
Everyone's truth is individual to them and you are right to say that truth changes with time.
Also varied stages of personal development and spiritual growth.

Thanks Antonioni, this resonates with me on several levels.
Nice to see you posting too.x

<Deleted User> (8672)

Sat 4th Dec 2010 13:56

You're so right about 'mass truth' being stronger than solitary truth. And that a supposed mass truth is distorted into an untruth. Are we almost in Plato or Socrates territory here? Socrates left no writings of his own. Do we trust Plato? This poem gets you thinking and I like it.

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