It is perfectly correct for us to

remember all those who died

in our going down-of-the-sun

all the glinting metal work and


sorrowful faces on parade are

now conjoined with those who

went before in the nobler cause.

Time to reflect on all wars and


their futility to the wider clans -

Man’s inhumanity to other men

the battle to end all other wars

is but a pipe dream billowing out





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Brian Maryon

Sun 16th Aug 2020 08:06

Keith. Hitler wanted an empire,, and as with all empires it would eventually have been forced to end. Has any empire just said 'okay lads, it's been fun but let's pack up and go home now'. Empire's take from the occupied lands, though in Hitler's case his purpose was ethnic cleansing and after the Jews he would have identified further groups to eradicate.

I respect your viewpoint Keith and agree it would be a better world if everyone became non-aggressive. Perhaps one day...

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keith jeffries

Sat 15th Aug 2020 23:43


Thank you. How tenable is conquest before the victor finds that the tables are turned and the objective is no longer viable? Within six years the Germans had conquered most of Europe but soon retreated to a besieged capital. Had they been ultimately victorious how long and for what purpose would they have remained in their occupied territories? None of the vanquished nations wanted them there. They would never have been welcomed or integrated only resented.


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Sat 15th Aug 2020 21:30

Brian, good point - visited the war graves in France some years ago with my Irish Guards assn. What tales the vets related to us younger guys.

Those who'd been there in the campaign went looking for a particular comrade buried in one of them - a Vicar's son. I happened to find the burial site first.

When their floods of tears began - I discretely moved away allowing privacy.

It rammed home the reality of the campaign with a jolt.

As it did on another occasion (a young officer) who'd been there in that campaign - he'd been having a private moment of ablution when he sensed something overhead - it was the turret of a German Panzer tank - which had crept in behind him as silent as the grave.

As he ironically commented - he'd needed no laxative on that occasion.


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Brian Maryon

Sat 15th Aug 2020 20:59

Interesting point from Keith about the aggressor giving up and going home. I expect the German forces were on the verge of doing just that when the Allies turned up in Normandy and encouraged them to stay and fight us off.

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Sat 15th Aug 2020 20:49

Keith I tend to agree with you on the term Hero.

One VC recipient I remember seeing on telly - said he got his for 'Being a bloody fool'

- when the gander's up I guess, that's when the clucking feathers fly.

And then we have that term often used after the Korean war, about survivors guilt.

The closest I got to being a hero was counting the garden statues at Windsor castle on guard duty.

I could swear they moved about when it got dark.

The hairs on the back of my neck tingled. P.

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keith jeffries

Sat 15th Aug 2020 20:24

As an ex serviceman of 10 years I worry about the term hero. No soldier would ever consider himself a hero. Too many ex servicemen are in mental institutions with PSTD, reduced to becoming drug addicts or homeless and sleeping on our streets. An investigation into Shell Shock after World War One reveals some disturbing facts, suicide being common place. Many soldiers, who one could term as being a hero, were simply guys who stuck their necks out for their comrades in very dangerous situations. Most soldiers therefore should be labelled heroes.


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Sat 15th Aug 2020 20:01

Thanks Paul and Keith for your comments and the likes.

It is strange that many of our medical and technological breakthroughs were born out of the necessity derived from mass injuries from warfare.

Whatever the rights and wrongs of it - we stand in awe of the heroism so often demonstrated - sometimes by mere kids not too long out of school - even in peace time we had recruits who lied - adding years to their age on attestation sheets.


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keith jeffries

Sat 15th Aug 2020 19:35

Wars are an enigma. Some people are inherently peaceful and avoid conflict whereas other relish the prospect of war and see glory and conquest as the summit of our ambitions. It is these who cajole the rest into believing that war will defend them or champion a good or righteous cause.

If a populace were to defy their government and refuse to fight what would the consequences be? An easy victory for the enemy? I think not as they would eventually return home dissatisfied with their conquest having achieved nothing but misery.
Therefore war is futile.

A good poem and thank you for it


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Paul Sayer

Sat 15th Aug 2020 19:00

Without us p. there can be no wars.
who would fight them, if not us?

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