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Paul Sayer

Mon 10th Aug 2020 12:45

Well, I for one Mark have not had my say yet, nor will I here.
Do you want to come out to play?

We always seem to have more questions than answers mate but at least we do keep asking them.

Paul

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julie callaghan

Mon 10th Aug 2020 11:59

Thank you for sharing the link to the Brian Bilston poem, very clever.

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M.C. Newberry

Mon 10th Aug 2020 11:26

The poem from Brian Bilston is certainly well done...clever too in its
construction. The general principle about attitudes to refugees is
sound but with assumptions about what they might bring that are
open to question. Oh dear:.awkward questions again. Don't let's fret
about those when taking the high moral ground. Mr Freeman's idea
of "balance" is also interesting since it does not address this either -
along with the answers to why these unfortunate people choose to
ignore the safe havens of Europe, to put life & limb at unnecessary
risk by crossing the Channel in boats. What is being "sold" to them
that makes them do this? Another question, of course. But surely deserving of explanation, not least for those on the receiving end.
Right - signing off from a timely blog on a matter of much public
interest (and disquiet). 😌

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Brian Maryon

Mon 10th Aug 2020 00:03

Thanks all for your contributions. An emotive subject which divides opinion, though I think we got through it without blood being spilt.

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Paul Sayer

Sun 9th Aug 2020 20:10

Sorry Brain I got sidetracked forgetting the topic and your huge epic poem.

A certain poster will be pissed I am commenting here on others poetry.

It's all naughty Greg's fault, lets blame him 🤣.

Paul.

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Paul Sayer

Sun 9th Aug 2020 20:05

I will never get any housework done now, the Duchess will be mad.

Have you read Julia's Five-Minute Memoir Greg?

What joy to find new poets.

I need to stay in more.

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Paul Sayer

Sun 9th Aug 2020 19:56

I have just been here...

https://brianbilston.com/

My flabber has never been so gastered

His...
Dominic Cummings: The Lockdown Tour

Is absolutely superb.

I am spending so much time reading I don't have time to write.

Which is blessing some might say 😉

Paul.

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Greg Freeman

Sun 9th Aug 2020 19:52

Not at all, Paul, glad you appreciated it. This kind of poem is called a specula or mirror poem, invented quite recently by the poet Julia Copus. It works brilliantly in this context, I think.

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Paul Sayer

Sun 9th Aug 2020 19:47

Damn Greg that made me well up.

I have never seen a poem written like that ever.

Truly stunning.

THAT is poetry.

Thank you for the link.

Paul

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Greg Freeman

Sun 9th Aug 2020 19:14

In the interests of balance ... here's a brilliant poem by Brian Bilston https://nationalpoetryday.co.uk/poem/refugees/

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julie callaghan

Sun 9th Aug 2020 13:02

I have no problem with migrants and those seeking asylum coming here.
But... if we continue to let them come into the country over the channel, they will continue to pay the people traffickers and continue to risk their lives. There will be some lucky ones but some others who pay the ultimate price and that should never be encouraged.

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M.C. Newberry

Sun 9th Aug 2020 12:53

I'm all for considered and measured replies. I'm also one for
considered and measured questions and note that they seldom
get answers.

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Brian Maryon

Sun 9th Aug 2020 12:16

Greg, if you're saying that my two line/ four word effort does not constitute a poem you would have to rule out a lot of entries for not following the 'rules', whatever they are.

Hazel/all. I am a compassionate person believe it or not. If a boatload of migrants are picked up in the channel we must of course take them in and treat them well. However, we must find ways to dissuade others coming.

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Greg Freeman

Sun 9th Aug 2020 09:55

Thanks for your considered and measured reply, Hazel. What is true, I would say, is that the word 'Poetry' creeps into the heading at the top of all this, although it does say 'Blogs' as well, which I suppose covers Brian's original post. Maybe we should think about an alternative heading which more accurately covers the kind of material which you often see here.

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Hazel ettridge

Sun 9th Aug 2020 09:48

I didn't want to polarise responses here. This, like all the other big issues we face today, is a complex situation with no obvious solution. There are many points of view and most are valid and understandable. I guess my point is that giving people a label (like 'migrant') makes them 'other' and easier to demonise. Personally, I think humans are humans. Humans in trouble are humans in trouble. We all have to live with our chosen responses to humans in trouble based on our values and beliefs.

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keith jeffries

Sat 8th Aug 2020 12:36

As Gandhi once said when confronted by a white South African policeman about his presence in the country, he replied, "I think you will find that there is enough room for us all".

Keith

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M.C. Newberry

Sat 8th Aug 2020 12:10

No one has yet explained just why these refugees should be so keen
to pass through the safe havens of the much touted European Union,
determined to head for the homeland of the racist imperialist uncaring Brits. with whom they have virtually nothing in common.

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Paul Sayer

Sat 8th Aug 2020 11:08

I have never let go of that hope Graham.

My dealings with the Border Force over the last ten years has made my thinking more in line with Brians.

I wrote a poem here about a little boy washed up on the beach a while back that was a very painful write.

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Brian Maryon

Sat 8th Aug 2020 10:25

If the majority of poets are caring humane folk then why are they happy for migrants to take a harrowing 3000 mile journey to live in squalid conditions in Calais before being fleeced by traffickers to take a dangerous sea crossing to the UK?

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Greg Freeman

Fri 7th Aug 2020 19:55

Hazel, don't think all poets on Write Out Loud think the same way as the majority of commenters on this thread. I cling to that hope!

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Paul Sayer

Fri 7th Aug 2020 18:23

Who would have thought it Brian

Four words... can say so much.

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Paul Sayer

Fri 7th Aug 2020 18:17

Mark This is exactly what we all should be doing about any and everything that perturbs us.

They DO work for us. WE pay their huge over-inflated salaries after all... Not the black-market drug loads and sex traffickers who peddle death and destruction on our streets 24/7 day in day out.

A quick glance at the last thirty years archives in Blue Mountain will show exactly what I refer to here. Not that they will ever see the light of day.

The hard and fast evidence is that the major players use their ill-gotten gain to purchase guns and weapons of destruction some of course from us, to be used against us!

So, Our Government coffers do benefit, not that this is something we want to look at under a microscope.

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Paul Sayer

Fri 7th Aug 2020 18:11

Hazel, you are of course 100 % correct.

However, as poets, we must seek out the truth wherever we find it and write about it however unpalatable it may be.

As to where we house them Brian a very quick look at Grenfell will give a small look at a huge picture.

No conspiracy here just facts.

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M.C. Newberry

Fri 7th Aug 2020 18:01

I've just written (email) to my MP about the government response
to this ongoing problem. They are already coming from "safe countries" so we need feel no reticence in asking why should they
not be returned there? Add to this scenario the news that the
government is pursuing a policy of virtually uncontrolled building
across the land and you have a recipe for future deep social
unrest,. not least from a sense of injustice and misplaced priorities
that are likely to manifest themselves.

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Brian Maryon

Fri 7th Aug 2020 09:27

Ah yes, the truth Hazel. We do need to face up to the truth.

If 200 migrants came into the UK unopposed yesterday it will encourage more to come. Two hundred per day for a year would 73,000 annually. Where are we going to house them, and what work will they do? This is against a backdrop of rising unemployment and acute housing shortage. How do you think an unemployed UK citizen in fear of eviction is going to feel about migrants being looked after by the State?

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Hazel ettridge

Fri 7th Aug 2020 09:02

It breaks my heart to see such inhumane sentiments coming from poets. Poets have always been the channels for truth and beauty and the essence of what it is to be human.

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Moon.girl

Fri 7th Aug 2020 08:36

Where to?

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Hugh

Fri 7th Aug 2020 08:34

The voice of our government

Knock,knock take a chair,
Our population's growing,
We don't care.

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Paul Sayer

Fri 7th Aug 2020 08:10

If ever there was such a huge message in such a terse verse

I have yet to see it.

Fan-Bloody-Tastic! Brian.

Paul

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